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12:42 < occam> << c-base >>
12:42 < occam> we are at the c-base now
12:42 < occam> we got a beamer
12:42 < occam> a dv-cam
12:42 < occam> a nice nice place
12:42 < occam> music
12:42 < occam> a comfortable sofa
12:44 -!- bonzai [bonzai@09664d.476e79.208f4b.4f91c6] has joined #techmeet
12:45 < occam> briks: http://theorur.tvlivre.org/
13:03 -!- s7ven [s7ven@b19c04.be2ad5.619397.c4b030] has joined #techmeet
13:03 < s7ven> hi!
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13:33 < occam> testing live stream
13:35 -!- mat [mat@2b12aa.dbf010.50920c.ff7101] has joined #techmeet
13:39 < occam> you can watch the stream with
13:39 < occam> mplayer -rtsp-stream-over-tcp
rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp -cache 128
13:39 < occam> or watch the url rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp in
quicktime
13:39 * yossarian checks out the exciting life of occam
13:40 < occam> cables!
13:40 < iconoclast> kabelsalat ist gesund!
13:41 < yossarian> kabelsalat ist freiheit!
13:43 < yossarian> seems to work fine, nice blinking lights
13:43 < yossarian> is that blur your ass or something?
13:44 < occam> no porn today
13:45 < occam> do you have audio?
13:45 < iconoclast> audio worx fine hiere
13:46 < briks> :)
13:46 < occam> cool
13:46 < iconoclast> weird black edge on bottom and right though..
13:47 < yossarian> test
13:47 < yossarian> hello
13:47 < briks> yeah, something wrong with the resolution
13:47 < iconoclast> it works!
13:47 < yossarian> audio works fine
13:48 < iconoclast> small as well.. trip down memory lane to stamp sized video!!1! :)13:49 < occam> whut your talk about?
13:50 < yossarian> occam, what size are you using for the video, it is pretty small
here like iconoclast says
13:51 < iconoclast> 100x75 pixels orso?
13:51 < occam> 160x120 ist very small but we keep it low at the moment
13:51 < occam> i can try a bit more
13:51 < skep> morning :-)
13:52 < occam> try again
13:53 < iconoclast> could it be darker now?
13:53 < iconoclast> ah, no..
13:54 < iconoclast> looks good, although there is still some stuff at the bottom and
right side. No idea where that would come from.
13:55 < briks> mh, mplayer says 352x288 px, but the stream is just in 320x240
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14:04 < yossarian> occam, are you using ffmpeg2theora + dvgrab to do that?
14:05 < briks> no, it's quicktime :(
14:05 < gus> oi
14:05 < iconoclast> briks: could this difference (352x288) be the black edges?
14:06 < briks> i think so
14:08 < yossarian> i just put up a tutorial of what i did last year to get this
stuff to work as .ogg
14:08 < yossarian> in case anybody's interested
14:08 < yossarian> http://escapegoat.org/2007/10/14/your-own-live-tv-feed-on-the-interweb
14:08 < iconoclast> yeah, I'd like to see that
14:09 < yossarian> i haven't really used it in any serious way mostly because
radio.indy went away
14:09 -!- s7ven [s7ven@58734c.408e9c.3fb482.c9b047] has joined #techmeet
14:09 < yossarian> does anybody know what the status of radio.indy is these days?
14:11 < skep> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-audio/2007-October/1012-2d.html
14:11 < iconoclast> eerie silence... :)
14:11 < skep> last info
14:12 < yossarian> ah, we can lean on ekes
14:13 < yossarian> good :)
14:13 < skep> hehe
14:13 < yossarian> i have a friend who lives in utrecht who could get involved in
the admin of the box if needed, he said
14:15 < iconoclast> I guess there's plenty of ppl in amsterdam who could do that
14:18 < occam> mplayer -rtsp-stream-over-tcp
rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp -cache 128
14:20 < yossarian> this is the stream of the berlin.social democratic party?
14:21 < yossarian> size is now great, and there's no extra black bits around the
right and bottom edges
14:21 < yossarian> the stream reconfigured itself on the fly for me
14:22 < iconoclast> same here
14:23 -!- t [t@58734c.408e9c.3fb482.c9b047] has joined #techmeet
14:23 < occam> hello t :)
14:24 < t> moin
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14:35 -!- occam changed the topic of #techmeet to:
http://techmeet.org/txt/BLNTechmeet | http://techmeet.org | notes from
past meeting->http://techmeet.org/txt/28Sept2007Meeting_Notes
14:37 < occam> ryan toya
14:37 < occam> San Francisco!!!!
14:37 < occam> WAKE UP SF!
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14:43 < mat> hello
14:44 < mat> streaming is good :)
14:44 < skep> a bit unsharp at the moment
14:44 < iconoclast> it focusses on the utp cable on top :)
14:44 < skep> blurred even
14:44 < skep> ah
14:45 < skep> :-)
14:45 < iconoclast> looove!
14:46 < gus> change the music
14:46 < skep> I don't think we can
14:47 < s7ven> pull the plug
14:47 < toya> oi
14:48 < toya> i ant to see the stream!
14:48 < toya> yo is at 11am for us
14:48 < toya> not 9:47
14:48 < toya> you are kinda early :P
14:48 < toya> where is the stream!
14:48 < toya> ahh
14:48 < toya> :(
14:48 < toya> it doesnt seem to work on my machine
14:49 < gus> mplayer -rtsp-stream-over-tcp
rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp -cache 128
14:49 < toya> eh
14:49 < toya> mas nao vai
14:49 < toya> falta uma bilioteca
14:50 < iconoclast> quicktime
14:50 < toya> live555 streaming media libraries
14:50 < toya> it says
14:50 < iconoclast> never heard of that...
14:50 < toya> RTSP support requires the "LIVE555 Streaming Media" libraries.
14:53 < toya> i have liblivemedia-dev and livemedia-utils
14:53 < toya> is the only things related with this that i can find on debian
repositories
14:54 < briks> here with gentoo i needed to recompile mplayer with the "live" useflag14:54 < toya> http://www.live555.com/liveMedia/#config-unix
14:54 < toya> found this
14:55 < toya> briks: maybe i will have to compile it as well
14:57 < iconoclast> video went black? or is that me?
14:57 < yossarian> it is back now
14:57 < yossarian> for me
14:57 < yossarian> i think occam is a smurf
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14:58 * gus -- 15 pm brazil
14:58 < gus> 15h
14:58 < yossarian> ah now it's black again for me also
14:59 < gus> mad: mplayer -rtsp-stream-over-tcp
rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp -cache 128
14:59 < mad> ty!
15:00 < mad> black?
15:00 < iconoclast> black here too now
15:01 < yossarian> for me it is currently a sort of abstract-looking grey swoosh
15:01 < gus> there's something white
15:02 < iconoclast> here mondriaan artwork now
15:02 < iconoclast> ah, back to normal :)
15:03 < mad> works
15:03 < occam> ok
15:03 < yossarian> mondrian does uml, looks like
15:04 < mad> only de.indy.org? or general techmeet?
15:04 < mad> curious because of the stream
15:05 < toya> occam: !
15:05 < occam> yes
15:05 < occam> did you ppl still have vid problems`???
15:05 < toya> i am trying to compile mplayer with this live555
15:06 < toya> so i can see it
15:06 < mad> looks like the video stopped
15:06 < mad> but sound
15:06 < mad> is still on
15:06 < iconoclast> occam: here it seems to work,
15:07 < iconoclast> video image still for quite some time though
15:09 < yossarian> toya, you might be able to get a different mplayer .deb from here:15:10 < yossarian> http://www.debian-multimedia.org
15:11 < yossarian> the packages there are usually built with stuff that the base
debian distro doesn't include (so for example i use their ffmpeg
deb to get sound in FLV video)
15:12 < toya> yossarian: i am compiling it right now
15:13 < toya> i got the mplayer from debian
15:13 < toya> but since is quicktime
15:13 < occam> we think it is some bandwidth problem
15:13 < toya> it doesnt come with the debian package
15:13 < occam> we switch to low quality again
15:14 < iconoclast> yeah, I noticed.. looks amazing on fullscreen here
15:19 < yossarian> iconoclast, just knock your screen resolution down to 240x180 and
it'll look great
15:20 < iconoclast> lemme try that :)
15:22 < iconoclast> well, it won't go lower than 640 by 480 without doing advance
stuff, but it /is/ better
15:22 < iconoclast> having irc in one inch letters is annoying me a bit though :)
15:23 < toya> uff
15:23 < toya> now i kinda can see it
15:23 < toya> but no sound
15:24 < toya> and dropping
15:25 < toya> :(
15:26 < occam> we get the audio running
15:26 < toya> I SEE SOMEONE!
15:26 < toya> ;)
15:26 < occam> the seperated audio stream
15:26 < briks> occams arm
15:27 < iconoclast> either it's his arm we're watching, or this is something
altogether more sinister...
15:28 < toya> is this a demonstration?
15:28 < occam> yeah, nicecast radio setup demo :)
15:28 < toya> hehee
15:28 < toya> cool
15:29 < toya> i need to set up sf stream!
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15:29 < toya> it keeps shutting off
15:29 < toya> mplayer
15:29 < toya> i think is my computer
15:29 < occam> kick ryan
15:29 < occam> his macbook will play it fine
15:29 < occam> just use quicktime
15:30 < toya> awww
15:30 < toya> but i compile it all
15:30 < toya> no shittytoshes
15:30 < briks> audio: http://nettlau.indymedia.org:2323/berlin.mp3
15:30 < occam> :)
15:31 < toya> cool
15:31 < toya> so lets see if things over here can take both! stream audio and video!
15:31 < toya> is a nice test for muambaII
15:31 < kwadronaut> bad quality
15:31 < occam> audio?
15:31 < kwadronaut> image
15:31 < occam> yeah
15:31 < kwadronaut> bit blueish
15:31 < toya> fuck
15:31 < mat> jaja, occam laugh again please :D
15:32 < kwadronaut> audio is just music
15:32 < toya> i need jack
15:32 < toya> now
15:32 < toya> for both
15:32 < mat> JAJAJAAAAAAAAAAAAA
15:32 < briks> :)
15:32 < kwadronaut> hehe
15:37 < yossarian> occam with a beer...
15:37 < toya> is a baby with beer!
15:38 < toya> hehehe is occam?
15:38 < briks> don't think so :)
15:38 < toya> ok
15:38 < toya> i was like
15:38 < toya> dman my image sucks
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15:46 < toya> ahh the stream has audio now
15:46 < toya> avena: ta rolando um stream da alemanha
15:46 < toya> avena: de video
15:48 < toya> mplayer -rtsp-stream-over-tcp
rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp -cache 128
15:49 < avena> peguei o audio ...fogo e entender.
15:50 < toya> hehe
15:50 -!- CtrlAltDel [Administrat@297948.251054.04af13.295fea] has joined #techmeet
15:51 < briks> CtrlAltDel:
15:51 < briks> mplayer -rtsp-stream-over-tcp
rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp -cache 128
15:51 < briks> i audio: http://nettlau.indymedia.org:2323/berlin.mp3
15:51 < CtrlAltDel> thx
15:56 < CtrlAltDel> is this "persi"l in the background?
15:56 < s7ven> no!
15:56 < s7ven> where?? :)
15:58 < CtrlAltDel> in the background of the picture on the stream
15:58 < s7ven> what are you talking about? :p
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16:00 < rhatto> :)
16:01 < occam> ok
16:02 < occam> do you all get the video and audio stream?
16:02 < occam> can we start??
16:02 < occam> can we start??
16:02 < occam> can we start??
16:02 < occam> can we start??
16:02 < occam> can we start??
16:02 < occam> can we start??
16:02 < rhatto> http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeet-sp.m3u
16:02 < rhatto> i think our is working
16:03 < occam> ogg?
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16:03 < briks> rhatto: jo
16:03 < briks> hallo
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16:04 < rhatto> occam: we can try ogg we you want
16:06 < briks> its ok as it is
16:08 < rhatto> :)
16:08 < rhatto> occam: its you on the stream?
16:08 < briks> its occam
16:08 < rhatto> im listen to http://nettlau.indymedia.org:2323/berlin.mp3.m3u
16:08 < rhatto> ok
16:08 < CtrlAltDel> jes
16:08 < rhatto> i can hear
16:09 < CtrlAltDel> maske auf ;)
16:11 < rhatto> is anyone else streaming?
16:11 -!- elisa [elisa@3dc69a.b02399.e1eef0.6b9fe2] has joined #techmeet
16:11 < elisa> opa
16:11 < briks> mplayer -rtsp-stream-over-tcp
rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp -cache 128
16:11 < rhatto> occam: ok
16:11 < briks> audio: http://nettlau.indymedia.org:2323/berlin.mp3
16:12 < rhatto> we're using jack here, so we can grab all streans at once
16:12 < rhatto> we're already listen to berlin here :)))
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16:16 < occam> rhatto: lets talk here
16:16 < rhatto> ok
16:16 < occam> its impossible to talk with that delay :)
16:16 < rhatto> hehehehehehe :)))
16:16 < ryan> hihihihihihihihihihih
16:16 < rhatto> it seens a one-minute delay
16:16 < elisa> who's here already besides de and br-sp ?
16:16 < rhatto> ryan: :)))
16:17 < occam> RYAN!
16:17 < occam> give us the update about SF
16:17 < occam> is SF ready to stream?
16:17 < occam> thing is, we are ready to to some presentation
16:17 < occam> we can talk right now and you ppl can give us question and feedback
16:17 < rhatto> ok
16:17 < elisa> occam, let's do that then
16:17 < occam> you just need to be ready to listen to it
16:17 < rhatto> we are ready to listen
16:18 < occam> cool
16:19 < occam> tel me if you can understand me on the VIDEO stream
16:19 < rhatto> i cant receive the video stream
16:19 < elisa> occam, are you guys talking anything right now ?
16:19 < ryan> wait, hang on
16:19 < elisa> (on the audio streaming)
16:19 < skep> not yet
16:19 < ryan> i'm having some technical difficulties
16:20 < rhatto> because we dont have the lib555 installed yet
16:20 < rhatto> but the audio is fine
16:21 < rhatto> while you talk im gonna try to compile this stuff
16:21 < rhatto> yes
16:21 < rhatto> im listen
16:21 < rhatto> repression
16:22 < rhatto> ok, we'll do feedback
16:22 < rhatto> hey
16:22 < rhatto> are you recording?
16:22 < rhatto> (just for curiosity)
16:23 < rhatto> :)))))))
16:23 < rhatto> im not recording, just listening
16:23 < rhatto> if you want i can record
16:23 < occam> feel free
16:24 < rhatto> ok, we'll not record then
16:24 < CtrlAltDel> is the sound and the picture synchrone?
16:24 < rhatto> we'll just write some notes :)
16:24 < ryan> hmmm hang on asec
16:24 < occam> CtrlAltDel: you should have audio on the video stream
16:25 < CtrlAltDel> jes... thats my question. is the audio and the video synchrone
on the stream?
16:25 < gus> CtrlAltDel: i dont think so
16:25 < briks> within the videostream it should be synchronous
16:25 < CtrlAltDel> kay
16:25 < skep> i think so
16:26 < gus> i guess the video had some delay in relation with the audio stream
16:26 < CtrlAltDel> yarp... seems to be synchrone
16:26 < gus> (at least here)
16:26 < CtrlAltDel> but only a little
16:26 < CtrlAltDel> o. .. where is the mask? ;)
16:27 < skep> he has it on :p
16:27 < CtrlAltDel> nonono... the other one. with the long nose
16:27 < skep> can't you see ;)
16:28 < skep> now hes covering his face..the fucking terrorist
16:28 < occam> where is chile?????????
16:28 < skep> in south america..
16:28 < CtrlAltDel> lol
16:29 < mat> occam: use the other mask, that with the long hairs ;P
16:29 < occam> ryan: are you ready???
16:29 < CtrlAltDel> haha...
16:29 < occam> mat: :)))))))
16:29 < occam> =:)
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16:30 < s7ven> where did you get this unbelievable glases from???
16:30 < ryan> occam: i'm having technical difficultis
16:30 < ryan> one moment plase
16:31 -!- micah [micah@2a2ca4.ddf950.c3bce0.68d247] has joined #techmeet
16:31 < ryan> mm
16:31 < occam> hello micah
16:31 < occam> watch the video if you have some bandwidth
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16:32 < skep> mplayer -rtsp-stream-over-tcp
rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp -cache 128
16:33 < skep> I'm having the same as occam
16:33 < mat> too dark, what was that ?
16:34 < skep> but I don't smile like i'm already at my 5th beer..like occam
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16:35 < occam> RYAN
16:35 < occam> we are waiting for you
16:35 < skep> cheers
16:36 < micah> thanks
16:36 < elisa> eeeee
16:36 < elisa> cut hair occam
16:36 < rhatto> ok, we got a mac here and are receiving berlin video stream also
16:36 < rhatto> is it synced with the audio-only?
16:36 < briks> no
16:36 < briks> audio only has a shorter latency i think
16:37 < CtrlAltDel> is this the small sony micro running?
16:37 < CtrlAltDel> *nice ;)
16:37 < CtrlAltDel> the quality of the sound isn`t bad at all ...
16:38 < rhatto> anyone wants mexican food? :))))))
16:39 < micah> sounds good!
16:41 < ryan> ok, ok, i'm sorry
16:41 < toya> <-setting up teh stream from here
16:42 < ryan> i am now watching berlin.sdp
16:42 < ryan> to give you an idea of lag, here is what was just said:
16:42 < ryan> "you have to pay whatever"
16:42 < micah> keep getting dropped
16:43 < ryan> is this being recorded?
16:43 < rhatto> occam: hey, sorry
16:43 < briks> i'm recording the audio stream
16:43 < ryan> so hey, who is occam talking to?
16:43 < ryan> a group of people?
16:43 < skep> to you
16:43 < rhatto> we lost the begining because we were waiting the audio only stream
16:43 < ryan> the only audience is the stream?
16:43 < skep> and the rest
16:44 < rhatto> now here receiving both
16:44 < occam> we are 6 ppl here
16:44 < occam> all behind laptops
16:44 < occam> ;)
16:44 < ryan> occam - how did you type that??? i didnt see you type that!
16:44 < CtrlAltDel> its not synchrone
16:45 < mat> telepathy
16:45 < CtrlAltDel> lol
16:45 < skep> but sadly some (I don't say names) are sitting behind..
16:45 < skep> ibooks
16:45 < ryan> what happened in 1995?
16:45 < ryan> hey, is skep at this thing?
16:45 < init> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-base
16:46 < skep> ryan: I'm 3m away from occam
16:46 < ryan> m = minutes? or miles?
16:46 < skep> meters
16:46 < init> http://www.c-base.org/
16:46 < micah> damn stream keeps dropping
16:47 < ryan> i can hear you on the audio stream
16:47 < ryan> in response to your question
16:48 < skep> micah: hopefully we will have audio/video dumps..for later review..
16:49 < rhatto> occam: is this space related to the chaos computing group?
16:49 < micah> now its stable
16:50 < rhatto> ok, thanks :)
16:50 < rhatto> occam: well
16:50 < rhatto> we lost the beggining
16:50 < rhatto> :/
16:51 < rhatto> :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
16:52 < init> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/370112.html?c=on#c173350
16:54 < toya> i think i got the streamm here working
16:54 < toya> the audio one
16:55 < ryan> anyone know whats up with zapata?
16:55 < elisa> no
16:55 < skep> dunno
16:55 < ryan> question for occam -> what is behind you?
16:55 < toya> http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeetsf.ogg
16:55 < toya> can anyone try this :)
16:56 < ryan> is it a wall with something projected on it?
16:56 < groente> toya: 404
16:56 < s7ven> jap
16:56 < ryan> is the video camera in like 'night vision' mode or something?
16:56 < skep> yes
16:56 < toya> groente: i think i have the wrong url
16:56 < toya> hold on
16:56 < ryan> everything i see is shades of green
16:56 < skep> its totally dark in here..some small lights..
16:56 < ryan> oh! now its in living color
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16:57 < ryan> what!!
16:57 < toya> http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeetsf.m3u
16:57 < ryan> wait, wait, wait, i think i missed something
16:57 < toya> maybe this one
16:57 < ryan> occam - someone gave the police a root password?
16:57 < ryan> occam - can you explain that again
16:57 < skep> occam is sitting besides a red lamp..so it might look like somew kind
of nightvision
16:57 < groente> toya: pretty silent, but there's a stream
16:58 < toya> cool
16:58 < toya> :)
16:58 < toya> ok
16:58 < groente> hallo, yes
16:58 < ryan> well, if they have a root shell, they can install a root kit
16:58 < skep> hallo hallo
16:58 < skep> we can hear you
16:58 < ryan> !!!!!!
16:58 < ryan> how is toya doing that?
16:58 < ryan> i want to do that!
16:58 < micah> heheh
16:58 < micah> next is long cat!!!
16:59 < skep> nooo
16:59 < groente> toya: yep, i can
16:59 < skep> :-)
16:59 < rhatto> we can hear you toya
16:59 < ryan> ok so toya is streaming
16:59 < ryan> i'm going to set up a stream also
16:59 < ryan> yeah?
16:59 < ryan> 3-way video conferencing?
16:59 < ryan> WHO IS THAT?
16:59 < ryan> who is that?!
16:59 < init> They did not have a root shell on their own. They compressed the
accounts they where looking for and the police scp'ed them to their
windows-machines.
16:59 < micah> all these people in my head
17:00 < ryan> occam! who was that man's voice ?
17:00 < ryan> on the conference?
17:00 < toya> so hey
17:00 < toya> ppl should read this:
17:00 < ryan> WHO WAS THAT?
17:00 < toya> http://techmeet.org/txt/2007HowToConferencehttp://techmeet.org/txt/2007HowToConference
17:00 < ryan> HEY!
17:00 < toya> http://techmeet.org/txt/2007HowToConference
17:00 < micah> occam: who is calling?!
17:00 < Zapata> hi
17:00 < toya> this is how the conference will work
17:00 < skep> micah: a damn phone in the backgrounbd
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17:00 < ryan> this is the coolest shit every
17:00 < ryan> *ever
17:01 < ryan> everyone else in indymedia sucks
17:01 < ryan> we are the coolest
17:01 < rhatto> hey
17:01 < rhatto> can you wait some minutes?
17:01 < rhatto> like two or three?
17:01 < toya> hehehee
17:01 < toya> 2 min and 34 seconds
17:01 < toya> ok?
17:01 < ryan> hey all
17:01 < ryan> CLEVELAND: 27, MIAMI: 10
17:02 < Zapata> !!!
17:02 < ryan> occam: do not laugh at that joke.
17:02 < skep> he does
17:02 < Zapata> it's 17 - 27 now
17:02 < ryan> zapata: WHAT?!
17:02 < ryan> oh goddamn it
17:02 < init> The problem at that moment (the raid) was that the G8 mobilisation in
germany was relying heavily on the machines the police was about to
confiscate. So handing over the data was the lesser of two evils.
17:03 < init> The person who had to cooperate in this way with the police is still
having nightmares because of that.
17:03 < ryan> where is rabble and gaba and sheri and all those people?
17:03 < ryan> why they dont want to participate in the coolest indymedia thing
that's happened all year?
17:04 < ryan> ok i'm gonna get my stream going
17:04 < micah> can someone please give an idea of what is going on/agenda? right now
all I see is chaos
17:04 < ryan> micah: calm down, calm down. we are just experimenting with the
infrastrcuture
17:04 < ryan> micah: this is only the first meeting of several
17:04 < micah> i know
17:05 < toya> occam: is the video stream working?
17:05 < ryan> micah: the agenda for techmeet overall is on the wiki
17:05 < skep> toya: url?
17:05 < rhatto> sorry
17:05 < ryan> oh!!!! and i have a surprise for next week's techmeet meeting :D
17:05 < briks> toya: your audio stream is working
17:06 < ryan> oh!!!! and i have a surprise for next week's techmeet meeting :D
17:06 < ryan> oh!!!! and i have a surprise for next week's techmeet meeting :D
17:06 < ryan> oh!!!! and i have a surprise for next week's techmeet meeting :D
17:06 < toya> i men th evideo one from
17:06 < toya> berlin
17:06 * groente can see and hear germans and hear yoya
17:06 < groente> s/yo/to/
17:06 < briks> toya: yes, its running
17:06 < rhatto> occam: can we ask/do a sugestion?
17:06 < ryan> hmmmm i wonder if i can turn the macbook video thing into a stream?
17:06 < rhatto> hey
17:06 < toya> i am tryinng to open it on a shittytosh
17:07 < ryan> that would be a lot easir
17:07 < rhatto> can you all tune to our stream?
17:07 < toya> rhatto: link?
17:07 < rhatto> wait
17:07 < toya> hey we should have all streamms links on the wiki
17:07 < occam> ryan: GET IT READY BEFORE THE MEEETIN!
17:07 < rhatto> toya: http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeet-sp.m3u
17:07 < occam> damn it
17:07 < occam> quictime broadcaster
17:08 < rhatto> occam: we were talking here about the raid issues you had there
17:08 < occam> quicktime broadcaster
17:08 < ryan> hey its just the first mtg, give ourselves a break
17:08 < rhatto> and we'r figuring out a way to prevent data theft with email accounts17:08 < micah> I can't connect to http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeet-sp.m3u
17:08 < occam> ryan: download and install it, i will tell you how you can stream
with it
17:08 < occam> i have a server ready
17:09 < briks> rhatto: yep
17:09 < rhatto> is it better to us to describe it by chat or by stream?
17:09 < briks> were listening
17:09 < groente> rhatto: it seems to work here
17:09 < skep> here too
17:09 < toya> hold on ppl
17:09 < toya> i am not listen to any of the streamms yet
17:09 < toya> so i cant hear what ppl are saying hold on
17:09 < ryan> whoa
17:09 < occam> rhatto: what are your idead to avoid it?
17:09 < ryan> i think i found a cool thing
17:12 < elisa> you are far , is bad to listen
17:12 < init> The problem with encrypted disks is. If the police does NOT get the
data they want, they will take the wole box anyway.
17:12 < toya> i cant open shit with the shittytosh :(
17:13 < rhatto> occam: could you speak louder?
17:13 < ryan> toya: just hang on, i am figuring out the shittytosh
17:13 < rhatto> but having a lawyer ready didn't stop them from getting the data,
did it ?
17:13 < elisa> tamo toya
17:13 < elisa> simsim
17:14 < skep> it stopped them from taking more data/computers they had a warrant to..17:14 < init> The layer preventet them vom getting ALL the accounts, so they got
only ten instead of hundrets.
17:14 < rhatto> yes, but if everything was encrypted they were stuck with nothing
17:14 < CtrlAltDel> the lawyer
17:15 < init> UK can now demand data decryption on penalty of jail time -
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071001-uk-can-now-demand-data-decryption-on-penalty-of-jail-time.html
17:15 < ryan> ok ok
17:15 < ryan> occam, i need your help
17:16 < toya> hey i want to listen to the germans!
17:16 < rhatto> occam: ok
17:16 < rhatto> i want to ask something
17:16 < skep> toya: mplayer -fps 6 -rtsp-stream-over-tcp
rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp (videostream)
17:17 < ryan> hang on, i need your help in am inute
17:17 < rhatto> occam: do you know if social movements surveillance in europe
happens everytime or just before things like the g8?
17:17 < ryan> I AM SACRIFICING THE GAME TO FUCKING DO THIS SO DONT REMIND ME
17:17 < toya> skep: i cant use mplayer how i do it on quicktime?
17:17 < rhatto> ryan: hahahahahah
17:17 < skep> there is an audio-stream as well.. briks whats the url again?
17:18 < rhatto> skep: yes, and the audio quality of this one is very better
17:18 < briks> mplayer http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeetsf
17:18 < briks> mplayer http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeet-sp
17:18 < briks> mplayer http://nettlau.indymedia.org:2323/berlin.mp3
17:18 < briks> mplayer -rtsp-stream-over-tcp
rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp -cache 128
17:18 < toya> cool
17:18 < toya> my problem here is fucking quicktime
17:19 < ryan> ok so
17:19 < ryan> using quicktime... go to this url:
17:19 < toya> ok
17:19 < ryan> oh fuck, hang on
17:19 < toya> hmm
17:19 < toya> no
17:19 < ryan> er does anyone have bind running?
17:20 < ryan> that they could quickly set up a third level domain?
17:20 < ryan> everydns takes too long
17:20 < ryan> anyone?
17:21 < ryan> ah nevermind
17:21 < ryan> i got it
17:22 < rhatto> occam: yes
17:22 < rhatto> but i have another question :P
17:22 < rhatto> hehehe
17:23 < rhatto> well, first: how spells this thing's name?
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17:23 < briks> Verfassungsschutz
17:23 < rhatto> hehehehe
17:24 < briks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesamt_f%C3%BCr_Verfassungsschutz
17:24 < rhatto> occam: do you know which technologies do they have (like not just
phone tapping, packet sniffing, photo databases, etc)/
17:25 < toya> :(( cant open neither one of the germans stream
17:25 < init> They have all the technologies one can buy on the market.
17:25 < rhatto> toya: http://nettlau.indymedia.org:2323/berlin.mp3 ?
17:25 < ryan> almost there..
17:25 < elisa> rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/berlin.sdp
17:25 < elisa> just put this in the quicktime
17:25 < toya> rhatto: eu to usando a url mas nao ta indo
17:26 < elisa> hum
17:26 < toya> rhatto: eu to fazendo com mac
17:26 < elisa> pau
17:26 < elisa> eu tb toya
17:26 < toya> rhatto: nao sei pq mas o quicktime nao abre
17:26 < toya> elisa: como q vc faz no quicktime?
17:26 < rhatto> toya: mplayer http://nettlau.indymedia.org:2323/berlin.mp3 ?
17:26 < init> So what they would do is listen to your dsl-connection at home in
adition to your landline and your mobild fon.
17:26 < rhatto> toya: mac :///
17:26 < rhatto> :P
17:26 < toya> rhatto: nao tenho o jack no meu computador, se usar o mplayer nao vai
17:26 < toya> rhatto: o streamm
17:26 < toya> :(
17:26 < rhatto> entendi
17:26 < elisa> soh abri ele e coloquei o endereco
17:27 < toya> eita
17:27 < rhatto> toya: via alsa nao funciona dois stream?
17:27 < toya> rhatto: eu to fazendo o steam de sf no meu comp... eu abri o seu no
mac sem problema..soh o dos alemao q nao ta indo
17:27 < groente> berlin: do you have some updates on german cops actively breaking
into computers to get information?
17:28 < rhatto> toya: nao tem outra maquina aih?
17:28 < rhatto> toya: entao
17:28 < rhatto> toya: por enquanto a gente nao tah falando
17:29 < rhatto> toya: aih voce pode ouvir soh o dos caras enquanto a gente tah no
silencio
17:29 < briks> groente: there is a public discussion about it. but officialy theyre
not yet allowed to
17:29 < ryan> ok
17:29 < ryan> i am broadcasting
17:29 < groente> briks: there was some rumour about bavarian police having used
trojans to sniff skype traffic
17:29 < toya> rhatto: o lance eh q o dos caraas nao abre nem com o quicktime, nem
com nada
17:30 < groente> briks: do you know more about this?
17:30 < init> groente: but in some states (bavaria, if I remember corectly) they
insalled trojans on windows machines to listen in on skype
conversatations.
17:30 < init> That's what they admitted.
17:30 < groente> okay
17:30 < rhatto> toya: i can re-stream them if you want
17:31 < rhatto> we should just take care not to overlap our talks (sp/berlin)
17:31 < groente> how is this public discussion going anyway, does it look like they
will be permitted to do this soon?
17:32 < toya> rhatto: :)))
17:32 < toya> rhatto: thanks
17:33 < rhatto> ok
17:33 < rhatto> just hang on
17:35 < rhatto> ok
17:36 < rhatto> we're re-streaming berlin
17:36 < rhatto> music from somewhere?
17:36 < gus> berlin
17:37 < rhatto> :)))
17:38 < occam> ok, next some details about the legal situation for german hosters
17:39 < rhatto> ok
17:39 < toya> hey
17:39 < toya> hey
17:39 < toya> hold on!
17:39 < toya> i cant fucking hear nothing yet :(
17:39 < rhatto> toya: melhorou nosso stream?
17:39 < toya> rhatto: agora sim
17:39 < toya> :)
17:39 < rhatto> :))))
17:39 < toya> alright
17:39 < toya> alright
17:39 < toya> THANKS RHATTO!
17:39 < toya> ;)
17:39 < rhatto> :))
17:39 < rhatto> toya: tah ouvindo a musica?
17:39 < toya> simsim
17:39 < toya> e nao ta pipocando
17:39 < rhatto> eh de berlin :)
17:39 < rhatto> :)))))))))))))))))))
17:40 < toya> valeu
17:40 < toya> :)
17:40 < rhatto> occam: ready
17:40 < ryan> ok
17:41 < ryan> i'm broadcasting
17:41 < toya> cool i can hear it all :)
17:42 < toya> IS ANYONE RECORDIN GALL THIS?
17:42 < briks> i'm recording berlin audio stream
17:42 < briks> and occam video
17:42 < toya> cool
17:42 < toya> :)
17:42 < ryan> i am recordinf sf
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17:43 < ryan> hey, hang on, i gotta piss so bad
17:46 < rhatto> occam: what about the rest of the EU ?
17:46 < rhatto> (note: rhatto here means a lot of people typing)
17:47 < skep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_retention#Data_retention_in_the_European_Union
17:47 < toya> <-me taking notes
17:47 * Alster didnt make it, sorry :-/
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17:49 < rhatto> but if the content is interesting for lawyers on the rest of the EU,
are they able to sue you guys there ?
17:49 < occam> toya: write the question here
17:49 < toya> is there any cooperations laws? i mean if you host stuff that isnt
important to german, but it is to another country where there is
acooperation law with german....wouldnt that happen
17:49 < toya> the same way it happened with us in brasil
17:49 < toya> where there was a cooperation law between brasil and italy
17:50 < init> There are not many cases so far, but within the so called
Schengen-States police cooperate rather fast.
17:51 < init> They are about to merge their databases and have joint task forces
and such.
17:51 < ryan> hey
17:51 < ryan> can u hear me????
17:51 < skep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement
17:51 < briks> ryan: which stream?
17:52 < rhatto> occam: and what about piratebay cases?
17:52 < init> So for germany and other Schengen states it would be less
problematic to host stuff from outside the EU.
17:52 < toya> do you guys have any 'front' created for the registration of domains
or servers... a front would be an associatoin or anything ---- so
things arent related to 'a person' but to an association or even a
non-profit organization or something?
17:53 < toya> i know, but till get to the person it takes a long time
17:53 < toya> ahh
17:54 < toya> ahh
17:54 < toya> in brasil they do
17:56 < toya> is anythin like DMCA in german?
17:57 < rhatto> occam: not now, you can go aheda :)
17:57 < init> We don't have these "take down notices" like you have them with the
DMCA.
17:57 < rhatto> ahead
17:58 < skep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Copyright_Directive
17:58 < init> So if someone thinks their copyright is violated, they have to go to
curt.
17:59 < toya> init: i see
18:00 < toya> you have to make sure you have what?
18:00 < toya> sorry couldnt understand :/
18:00 < skep> a lawyer
18:00 < rhatto> occam: for us in sp you can move on
18:01 < toya> skep: thanks
18:01 < toya> you can move on
18:01 < toya> ;)
18:04 < rhatto> can you hang on for a minute or two?
18:05 < ryan> hiiiiiii
18:05 < briks> jep
18:05 < ryan> can someone just take 1 second and test the SF stream?
18:05 < skep> will do..url?
18:05 < ryan> http://nettlau.indymedia.org/sf.sdp
18:06 < occam> rtsp://nettlau.indymedia.org:8000/sf.sdp
18:06 < ryan> oh, right :()
18:06 < ryan> :)
18:06 < rhatto> thanks
18:06 < rhatto> we are ready now
18:06 < briks> Alster: how much ram does rocker have?
18:07 < ryan> i'm sorry, i was moving stuff around, who was the last person
presenting?
18:07 < skep> hmm..I can't get the sf stream
18:07 < skep> right now briks is talking about the server rocker
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18:07 < ryan> is there going to time for questions at the end?
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18:08 < rhatto> no questions
18:08 < ryan> i have questions!
18:09 < briks> ryan? :)
18:09 < ryan> ok, i was moving around over here so i apologize if there is repetition18:10 < skep> ryan: I wasn't able to get the sf stream running
18:11 < ryan> ok
18:11 < skep> mplayer said "starting playback" but nothing happend
18:11 < ryan> ok so
18:11 < toya> skep: http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/tehcmeetsf.m3u?
18:12 < ryan> briks: you are talking about rocker.indymedia.org?
18:12 < briks> for me http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeetsf is working
18:12 < toya> ok
18:12 < ryan> questions on IRC, answers on stream, right?
18:12 < skep> toya: hang on
18:12 < toya> i turnned the mic off so there is no eco cuz we are listenning to the germans
18:12 < briks> ryan: yeah, its that rocker
18:12 < ryan> answer on IRC so it can be part of the audio/video archive, ok?
18:13 < briks> its a big machine but bandwith is expensive
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18:14 < ryan> no no briks is not done!
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18:15 < rhatto> we are ready
18:15 < ryan> i have questions!!!!
18:15 < briks> ryan: ask
18:15 < toya> http://nettlau.indymedia.org:2323/berlin.mp3
http://nettlau.indymedia.org:2323/berlin.mp3
18:15 < skep> shoot
18:15 < toya> i can give updates
18:15 < toya> but if sao paulo wants to go first
18:15 < ryan> alright, hang on, i was having problems hearing
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18:16 < ryan> ok
18:16 < briks> ryan: do you have a specific question?
18:16 < ryan> i have several questions
18:17 < ryan> but
18:17 < ryan> be patient
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18:17 < ryan> i couldnt hear you
18:17 < toya> occam: say something on the mic so i can test one thing here
18:18 < ryan> briks: what is your url?
18:19 < briks> audio http://nettlau.indymedia.org:2323/berlin.mp3 but we arent
saying anything right now
18:19 < toya> say something
18:19 < toya> so we can test here one thing
18:19 < toya> or play a music
18:19 < ryan> i get a quicktime error that the url is not valid
18:20 < skep> your url gives me a 404 (sf.sdp)
18:20 < occam> ryan: play the audio in vlc and the video in quickeimte
18:20 < occam> ryan: start the broadcaster again please
18:20 < occam> and USE the modem preset
18:20 < ryan> i turned the broadcaster off because i was getting horrible feedback
18:21 < ryan> and i want to participate on other people's presentations, like brik
18:21 < skep> s
18:21 < ryan> the 2323/berlin.mp3 just wont play in quicktime
18:21 < occam> on the aduio tab, disable the [ ] play through speaker
18:21 < occam> ryan: VLC
18:21 < ryan> ok
18:21 < ryan> hang on
18:21 < toya> http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/tehcmeet-sp.m3u?
18:22 < toya> sao paulo is rebroadcasting the germans
18:22 < occam> well
18:22 < occam> WE ARE DONE
18:22 < toya> ok
18:22 < toya> hey
18:22 < occam> its your turn
18:22 < toya> ok
18:22 < toya> i can give some updates
18:22 < occam> rhatto: start your stuff
18:23 < elisa> caraio
18:23 < toya> elisa: ces vao falar agora
18:23 < elisa> so we have to wait for rhatto
18:23 < occam> we will listen to SP!!!
18:23 < toya> hehehee
18:23 < toya> but i can start with brasil tech updates
18:23 < toya> :(
18:23 < elisa> nao vou falar nao
18:23 < toya> while rhatto is not ready
18:23 < elisa> ok
18:23 < elisa> go on
18:23 < toya> should i go?
18:23 < occam> toya: send some test
18:23 < occam> so we know we listen to you
18:24 < toya> http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/tehcmeetsf.m3u
18:24 < skep> tehc ?
18:24 < ryan> he3y
18:24 < ryan> yo
18:24 < skep> or tech?
18:24 < toya> ?
18:24 < toya> can u hear me?
18:24 < briks> no
18:24 < ryan> puh-leeeeeeeease just give me a second to get vlc set up
18:24 < ryan> i've got some questions i'd like to ask every presenter
18:24 < briks> ok
18:24 < briks> ok
18:24 < elisa> I can listen toya here
18:24 < briks> now
18:24 < skep> oioi
18:24 < occam> yes
18:25 < skep> wecan hear you
18:25 < elisa> tah alto pra caramba
18:25 < occam> ;)
18:25 < occam> we can hear you
18:25 < occam> oioi
18:25 < occam> you sound like a pig!
18:25 < occam> OINK OINK
18:25 < elisa> hehehhehe
18:25 < occam> we are ready
18:25 < elisa> sim
18:26 < elisa> melhorou
18:26 < skep> tststs..such bad words
18:26 < elisa> go on
18:27 < toya> http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/tehcmeet-sp.m3u
18:27 < toya> hey
18:27 < rhatto> ?
18:27 < rhatto> sorry
18:27 < toya> ryan has questions for the germans
18:28 < toya> still
18:28 < skep> so ask
18:28 < rhatto> i had a personal emergency :P
18:28 < rhatto> so
18:28 < toya> skep: he is finishing setting his configurations so he can listen to
the answers
18:28 < rhatto> we're waiting questions from sf or can we start from here?
18:28 < toya> rhatto: ryan has questions to the germsn
18:28 < rhatto> ok
18:29 < skep> ok
18:29 < occam> toya: give ryan the damn mic and we will ansfer
18:29 < ryan> occam?
18:29 < ryan> n
18:29 < gus> hehe
18:29 < ryan> i cannot get the berlin stream in vlc either
18:29 < occam> ask the damn questions
18:30 < occam> well
18:30 < occam> ask NOW or toya go on with your updates
18:31 < occam> we dont wait here for hours
18:31 < skep> its 10:30pm here ;-)
18:31 < ryan> oh my fucking god
18:31 < ryan> chill
18:31 < occam> and we can not stay at these place 4ever and ppl also have to leave
at some point
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18:32 < ryan> IT'S ONLY BEEN 15 MINUTES SINCE I SAID I HAVE QUESTIONS
18:32 < occam> loooong 15 minutes!
18:32 < occam> :)))
18:32 < ryan> MUCH LONGER WITH THE WHINING
18:32 < elisa> meu fala ai
18:33 < rhatto> can we start while they're not ready?
18:33 < toya> http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeet-sp.m3u
18:33 < ryan> ok so sp stream doesnt work in quicktime
18:34 < ryan> switching to itunes
18:34 < micah> SP stream doesn't work with mplayer
18:34 < rhatto> works with mplayer
18:34 < rhatto> not?
18:34 < gus> vlc works
18:34 < kwadronaut> not with my mplayer.
18:34 < gus> xmms too
18:34 < toya> open in the browser
18:34 < gus> or just http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeet-sp
18:34 < micah> I can platy http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeet-sp
18:34 < toya> hey is there good food over there ?
18:34 < micah> its just audio in SP?
18:34 < toya> occam: is good food over there?
18:35 < toya> micah: sim
18:35 < rhatto> hey, dont put .m3u in the command line
18:35 < micah> ok
18:35 < skep> no..just empty stomaches
18:35 < rhatto> .m3u is the playlist
18:35 < occam> i did not had that much food today, but in xberg you get the best
food in hole germany
18:35 < skep> :)
18:35 < rhatto> use "mplayer http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeet-sp"
18:35 < micah> got it
18:35 < ryan> alright! i think that i'm on the sp stream
18:35 < skep> fuck off occam..in fhain!
18:35 < ryan> someone say something
18:35 < toya> occam: say something on the mic!
18:35 < toya> occam: say something on the mic!
18:35 < toya> occam: say something on the mic!
18:35 < toya> occam: say something on the mic!
18:35 < toya> occam: say something on the mic!
18:35 < toya> occam: say something on the mic!
18:35 < occam> fhain is EMPTY NOTHING THERES
18:35 < micah> yes
18:35 < luisfelipe> I'm hearing the sp stream
18:35 < micah> hi rhatto
18:35 < rhatto> :)
18:35 < skep> rhatto is loud and clear
18:35 < ryan> HEY YOU IMPATIENT GERMANS
18:36 < briks> rhatto we can hear you
18:36 < ryan> I CAN HEAR RHATTO
18:36 < micah> yes yes we can see you
18:36 < gus> yep
18:36 < nikete> yes we can hear you rhatto
18:36 < toya> rhatto from sao paulo to the world!
18:36 < rhatto> can we start?
18:36 < rhatto> ok]
18:36 < occam> we hear you!!!
18:36 < ryan> brik. say: "i am brik."
18:36 < toya> rhatto: hey rhatto
18:36 < toya> rhatto: dont start!
18:36 < toya> rhatto: dont start!
18:36 < toya> rhatto: dont start!
18:37 < skep> wait a sec
18:37 < micah> is someone translating to .pt in the background?
18:37 < micah> or is that german
18:37 < ryan> ok so brik,
18:37 < toya> micah: they are rebroadcasting the germans for us
18:37 < ryan> again, you presentation was about rocker.indymedia.org?
18:37 < skep> hang on please..there is a discussion oing on here..
18:37 < micah> cool
18:37 < rhatto> ok, we're ready and waiting
18:37 < skep> thanks
18:38 < skep> its currently loud here so we have to wait some seconds
18:38 < ryan> note : we are now officially waiting for the germans :P
18:38 < rhatto> ok
18:38 < rhatto> :PPP
18:39 < skep> ok..we are back
18:39 < skep> go on please rhatto
18:39 < rhatto> ok
18:39 < toya> hey ryan type your questions here
18:39 < toya> cuz ppl needs to present
18:39 < skep> hi
18:40 < toya> rhatto: ryan asked a question
18:40 < toya> rhatto: for the germans
18:40 < rhatto> ok
18:40 < toya> 18:37 < ryan> again, you presentation was about rocker.indymedia.org?
18:40 < elisa> porra mano
18:40 < ryan> what happened is: 1) i was trying to get the germans on a stream so i
could ask questions, 2) that took 15 minutes, 3) when i got it, the
germans said they are "discussing something"
18:41 < ryan> so now i am just waiting for the germans to answer the question so i
can ask my follow up questions
18:41 < briks> ryan: we talked about nettlau.indymedia.org and rocker.indymedia.org
18:42 < ryan> briks: ok, and is there an official non-indymedia group who holds
responsbility for those two machines?
18:42 < ryan> or is it just germany imc?
18:43 < briks> just german imc + global tech
18:43 < briks> nettlau: Alster, occam, micah
18:43 < briks> rocker: Alster, briks + some of ircd-working group for guerin
(ircd-xen-domU)
18:43 < ryan> lright nevermind
18:43 < ryan> go on sao paulo
18:43 < micah> well, nettlau is a vserver on a host that is managed by someone other
than myself, alster and occam
18:44 < briks> Eimann
18:44 * toya proposed that ryan listen to the record audio and ask his questions
next sunday
18:44 < micah> right
18:44 < toya> so we can move on
18:44 < briks> ok
18:44 < ryan> i was hoping to get some basic, standard informationa about each group
presenting so that we could have shared understanding on a number of
topics
18:44 < ryan> but i am being told that this is actually holding up stuff
18:44 < ryan> so forget it
18:44 < ryan> rhatto?
18:44 < rhatto> ok
18:44 < rhatto> can we start?
18:45 < rhatto> can i start?
18:45 < briks> yes
18:45 < toya> briks: you have the audio from german recorded? can u updload so we
can downlad and listen to it over here?
18:45 < rhatto> ryan?
18:45 < rhatto> toya?
18:45 < Zapata> GO
18:46 < briks> toya: yes we will upload it
18:46 < briks> go
18:46 < rhatto> ok
18:50 < briks> yes
18:50 < skep> yes
18:50 < briks> decentralisation
18:50 < skep> your english is fine
18:53 < briks> ok, no questions yet
18:53 < briks> 1 question
18:53 < elisa> go on
18:53 < briks> how many tech collectives are there in brasil?
18:53 < briks> (occam asked)
18:54 < luisfelipe> briks, participating in techmeet there are n, with n > 4 I think
18:54 < luisfelipe> hehe
18:54 < elisa> sarava , xanta, imc brazil-tech, birosca
18:55 < elisa> guarda-chuva
18:55 < elisa> thats now is sarava too
18:56 < briks> ok, thanks
18:56 < briks> go on
18:56 < toya> briks: you recording this too?
18:56 < briks> toya: no
18:56 < toya> briks: please do
18:56 < briks> toya: ok, now i am
18:56 < toya> briks: can u?
18:56 < elisa> toya
18:56 < toya> thans
18:57 < toya> thanks
18:57 < luisfelipe> we can translate it later and then put it on the wiki or
something
18:57 < luisfelipe> (the written text)
18:57 < ryan> is it still Q&A?
18:57 < ryan> for this section?
18:57 < luisfelipe> ryan, shoot
18:57 < rhatto> sorry, small problems here
18:57 < rhatto> hang on for a second
18:57 < ryan> i was involved in a side conversation so some of this might be repeated18:58 < rhatto> ok
18:58 < rhatto> ready
18:58 < ryan> so you guys are running sarava
18:58 < ryan> are there other boxes?
18:58 < ryan> huh?
18:58 < ryan> oh, i didnt know those groups merged
18:58 < luisfelipe> guardachuva was meant to be a part of sarava since the very
beginning
18:59 < gus> www.guardachuva.org , www.sarava.org
18:59 < ryan> ok, and to be clear, what are the names of the machines?
what.sarava.org and what.guardachuva.org ?
19:00 < elisa> sarava - Satangoss
19:00 < elisa> guardachuva - Quincas Borba
19:01 < ryan> ok, and where are these boxes hosted? at usp?
19:01 < elisa> no
19:01 < elisa> at another university
19:02 < elisa> quicas is at usp
19:02 < ryan> ok and what OS are they running?
19:02 < elisa> and satan is at unicamp
19:02 < luisfelipe> ryan, linux (slamd64 and gentoo as the main systems)
19:03 < luisfelipe> and the vservers are random (debian, etc.)
19:03 < ryan> ok and these machines are official operated by brazil indymedia? or a
separate non-IMC organization?
19:03 < luisfelipe> they are not operated by IMC
19:03 < briks> rhatto: are you using xen?
19:03 < ryan> ok, and how mature are the policies for these grouops?
19:03 < ryan> *groups
19:03 < luisfelipe> briks, vservers
19:03 < briks> ok
19:03 < ryan> like decision-making policies, membership, etc?
19:04 < luisfelipe> ryan, sarava is right now developing it's policies
19:04 < luisfelipe> we're currently writing a hosting policy, and trying to write
down our principles
19:05 < ryan> sorry, our dsl dropped out
19:05 < elisa> ok
19:05 < ryan> ok, so are there IMC's running on either of these machines?
19:05 < elisa> we are waiting
19:05 < elisa> no
19:06 < toya> brasil-tech imc has vservers in satangoss
19:06 < luisfelipe> but imc admins those vservers
19:06 < elisa> v-servers for paris, and portugal imc
19:06 < ryan> oh, ok. and what imc software they use?
19:06 < toya> brasil-tech can talk about it
19:06 < toya> when we present
19:07 < luisfelipe> the vservers are autonomous, we only intervene when they start
affecting the rest of the machine
19:07 < ryan> ok, and do you guys have *hosting* costs?
19:07 < luisfelipe> (problems with spam, too much memory use, stuff)
19:07 < ryan> i dont mean like costs for hardware, but bandwidth/hosting costs on a
regular basis?
19:07 < luisfelipe> no
19:08 < luisfelipe> basically, the university admins are really lazy
19:08 < ryan> and all the stuf that was happening last year,
19:09 < ryan> where like, some jerk wouldu unplug the ethernet for sarava, is that
still happening?
19:09 < ryan> or it is mostly resolved?
19:09 < luisfelipe> mostly resolved
19:09 < luisfelipe> we have problems with energy supply downtime and things like that19:09 < ryan> ok - last 2 questions
19:10 < ryan> how many people are a) 'officially' members of the group maintaining
the servers, and b) in reality, how many people are working on it?
19:10 < luisfelipe> where we don't have physical access to the server to turn it
back on out of the commercial hours
19:10 < luisfelipe> sarava is not only a tech collective, it's also a study group
19:10 < toya> after sao paulo I would like to give an updated for brasil-tech
19:11 < elisa> 15 ppl in sarava
19:11 < toya> sarava does researches do and publish their researches on their wiki
19:11 < toya> texts and analasys
19:11 < luisfelipe> I would say about 6 people involved with server administration
19:12 < luisfelipe> but that's just a guess
19:12 < ryan> ok, last question -- and then i have one sentence to say, then i'm
done - is there a political affiliation with the group? does that
matter? is it an 'anarchist' group? is it open to anyone of any
political affiliation?
19:12 < elisa> ?
19:12 < elisa> http://wiki.sarava.org/Estudos/Estudos
19:13 * mat is back from the plaza
19:13 < toya> mat: get the sao paulo stream
19:14 < ryan> my summary -- i would like to get this kind of information about
everyone participating in techmeet. because there are ambiguities
amongst the groups participating in techmeet. and this is our chance
to get together and settle these ambiguities, so i dont consider this
a waste of time, i consider it critical and this information-sharing
is critical to moving forward with tchmeet activities.
19:14 < ryan> that's it.
19:14 < briks> no questions from berlin
19:14 < ryan> i'm done.
19:14 < toya> i have one
19:15 < toya> so people can talk a little bit of security meassures sarava has or is
working on have
19:17 < ryan> no questions from me for this group
19:18 < toya> contacts with lawyers
19:18 < luisfelipe> we've tried to create a mailing list where the groups that are
hosted by our collective could exchange experiences and perhaps
even engage in mutual aid
19:18 < toya> university security
19:18 < toya> where the servers are
19:20 < ryan> brik -- re: your security concerns, should we move these irc sessions
to silc or another form of encrypted chat?
19:21 < toya> ok
19:21 < toya> ok
19:21 < luisfelipe> ryan : with the number of people online here, would it really
make a difference ? I'm all for it if people would like to do
it, but I don't know how effective it would be
19:22 < elisa> no
19:22 < elisa> next
19:23 < ryan> luisfelipe: dunno. i suggested it to see if this satisfied brik's
concerns
19:23 < toya> i dont understand
19:23 < toya> you saying that you guys cant follow the cms from indymedia
19:23 < toya> or help with it?
19:23 < luisfelipe> anyone from the new-cms workgroup could explain (quite quickly)
what would be the problem with choosing MIR or sfactive and
working to improve it ?
19:23 < luisfelipe> rhatto, cool :)
19:23 < briks> rhatto: thank you
19:23 < toya> ahh
19:23 < toya> ok
19:24 < luisfelipe> (I only mentioned those two because they are the ones that I've
already heard of)
19:24 < mat> rhatto: i understand what you said about cms ;)
19:24 < toya> ok
19:25 < luisfelipe> rewriting everything from scratch would be cool in alot of ways,
but it's rewriting everything from scratch nonetheless
19:25 < toya> hye this is ryan, my laptop ran out obattery
19:25 < toya> but i wanted to speak on this CMS question
19:25 < toya> i would like to propose that we table the CMS discussion until next
week
19:25 < luisfelipe> we were just interested in finding out the reasons for that
decision, since we basically couldn't remember them :P
19:25 < toya> i have been working on a biiiiig summary of the CMS project
19:25 < toya> and i can have this completed and online by wednesday
19:26 < toya> which will give people time to review it before next sunday
19:26 < toya> bcause there is a LOT of info and angles to consider
19:26 < toya> because brik is right, without this summary, the CMS project is
confusing
19:26 < luisfelipe> ryan, toya , no problems here
19:26 < toya> ok
19:27 < toya> is toya now
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19:27 < toya> can i give a short presentation
19:27 < toya> bout tech-brsail?
19:27 < toya> brasil
19:27 < luisfelipe> toya, are you streaming ?
19:27 < occam> well, ppl are leaving here
19:27 < occam> i will be online again in hour or so
19:27 < toya> should i do it?
19:27 < occam> we cant stayt too long at this place ;(
19:27 < occam> well, record it!!
19:28 < luisfelipe> toya, dunno, just asking
19:28 < rhatto> luisfelipe: can you record?
19:28 < toya> i am streamming
19:28 < luisfelipe> give me the url, I'll record it then
19:28 < elisa> legal]
19:28 < toya> http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeetsf.m3u
19:28 < toya> should i do it or not?
19:29 < luisfelipe> ok, I'm recording it
19:29 < toya> i will do it then
19:30 < toya> i will start
19:30 < luisfelipe> go
19:30 < mat> i cant connect to the SF stream :\
19:30 < mat> is working ?
19:30 < luisfelipe> mplayer http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeetsf
19:30 < rhatto> toya: ce tah fazendo em ogg?
19:30 < toya> sim
19:30 < toya> can ppl hear?
19:30 < rhatto> entao tem que ter .ogg no fim do nome do ponto de montagem
19:31 < Alster> mplayer -playlist http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeetsf
19:31 < rhatto> senao se pah as pessoas nao conseguem ouvir
19:31 < toya> rhatto: galera ouvia assim
19:31 < elisa> sim
19:31 < rhatto> se elas nao conseguire, tente mudar
19:31 < rhatto> senao beelza
19:31 < elisa> to ouvindo
19:31 < rhatto> aqui tamos ouvindo
19:31 < rhatto> oi oi
19:31 < elisa> ok
19:31 < occam> g2g ttyl
19:31 < Alster> mplayer -playlist http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeetsf.m3u
<<sorry
19:31 < Alster> oioioi
19:31 < occam> save the stream!
19:31 < rhatto> toya: yes, we hear you
19:31 < luisfelipe> toya, I'm listening, and I *think* I'm recording
19:32 < luisfelipe> hee
19:32 < gus> luisfelipe: da um wget no link
19:32 < gus> sem .m3u
19:32 < luisfelipe> if anyone here really needs my recording to work do pray to
whichever $DEITY you believe in
19:33 < luisfelipe> gus, mplayer -dumpstream
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19:37 < rhatto> about what toya said - default sarava proposal:
http://padrao.sarava.org (portuguese only and inspired by riseup's
debian grimoire)
19:40 < luisfelipe> what's the address of this mir test site ?
19:41 < gus> luisfelipe: pro brasil?
19:41 < luisfelipe> gus, pode ser
19:42 < gus> era o dev.midia, mas estamos configurando no satangoss ;)
19:48 < mat> gus: mir test site of what ? new mir ?
19:49 < luisfelipe> mat, no, it's just a test site where people can try it out,
learn how to admin and stuff
19:49 < luisfelipe> without publishing a bunch of rubbish on the main site
19:49 < luisfelipe> (from what I understood)
19:50 < rhatto> toya: we're listening here :)
19:50 < luisfelipe> guys, next week I can set up a recording of all streams
(including real video I think, but I still have to test that) on
a central place
19:51 < mat> luisfelipe: ah, ok.
19:52 < toya> so hey
19:52 < toya> i am done
19:52 < toya> so
19:52 < mat> you are not done on the audio :)
19:52 < mat> stream
19:52 < rhatto> toya: no questions for now
19:52 < luisfelipe> toya, just a question : right now, what would you say is the
current status of the cmi-brasil tech collective ?
19:52 < mat> toya: want to talk about sfccp if there are no questions ?
19:53 < luisfelipe> do you guys feel you are on your feet already
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19:53 < epsas> why does the techmeet have to be on at the same time as the
international headphone festival?
19:53 < epsas> hehe
19:53 < ryan> luisfelipe: on our feet for sfccp or cmi-brasil-tech ?
19:53 < luisfelipe> ryan, cmi-brasil-tech
19:54 < ryan> epsas: the what??
19:55 < epsas> http://deletist.info
19:55 < rhatto> epsas: dont you know techmeet is part of the festival?
19:56 < epsas> oh wow
19:56 < epsas> coolness
19:56 < mat> toya: can you say who is the people that leave ?
19:57 < ryan> hey, is there an agenda on the wiki for this mtg?
19:57 < luisfelipe> toya, cool
19:57 < yossarian> toya: the people who are learning, where have they come from? are
they non-tech people who made a commitment to learn?
19:57 < mat> ok
19:58 < mat> ok ok
20:00 < yossarian> thanks for the explanation :)
20:00 < toya> np
20:00 < luisfelipe> will sf continue to stream to talk about sfccp or something ?
20:01 < luisfelipe> (asking because of the recording)
20:01 < toya> we can
20:01 < toya> do it
20:01 < toya> should we?
20:01 < ryan> i can give a brief update about sfccp
20:01 < luisfelipe> <mat> toya: want to talk about sfccp if there are no questions ?
20:01 < toya> ok
20:01 < luisfelipe> just a small but important question
20:01 < luisfelipe> the filesize so far of what I'm recording is 4 mb
20:02 < luisfelipe> does it seem correct to you ?
20:02 < toya> yah
20:02 < toya> hey
20:02 < toya> we can give a presentation
20:02 < toya> explainning
20:02 < toya> how community colos organizations
20:02 < toya> are good for protecting our servers
20:02 < toya> and rights
20:02 < toya> who it works
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20:04 < mat> go on ryan
20:05 * luisfelipe listening
20:05 < mat> no smoking !
20:05 < luisfelipe> actually, I've to go out right now, but I'll keep recording too
20:05 * rhatto confirms
20:05 < mat> ryan: go on, WE CAN HEAR YOU !!
20:05 < luisfelipe> be back in ~ 1 hour
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20:22 < rhatto> :)
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20:23 < mat> please stop kicking the micro :)
20:31 < toya> ok
20:31 < toya> is over
20:31 < toya> i think
20:31 < toya> no one is around anymore
20:31 < toya> :/
20:31 < rhatto> hey
20:31 < rhatto> we're listening
20:31 < rhatto> :)))
20:31 < toya> hehehe
20:31 < rhatto> well
20:31 < rhatto> its a bit late here
20:31 < toya> ok
20:31 < rhatto> we got all you said
20:31 < rhatto> but we gotta go now :/
20:32 < toya> we too
20:32 < toya> we should call this conference over
20:32 < toya> and work on reports to the list
20:32 < rhatto> ok :)))
20:32 < toya> i believe we should also create
20:32 < rhatto> hey
20:32 < toya> an agenda maybe
20:32 < toya> for next sunday
20:32 < rhatto> that was a nice conference :))))))))))))))))))))
20:32 < toya> following topics
20:33 < toya> we pointed out today from all presentations
20:33 < toya> :)
20:33 < toya> yah :)
20:33 < rhatto> :)))
20:33 < rhatto> ok, we gotta go, see you :)))
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20:33 < toya> i will record some of the stuff we said in pt
20:33 < toya> for brasil ppl
20:33 < toya> ok
20:33 < toya> <-stoped the streamm
20:33 < gus> bota musica no stream
20:34 < toya> vc quer musica
20:34 < toya> ?
20:34 < mat> i was listening too
20:34 < gus> para concluir
20:35 < toya> is over
20:35 < toya> but we finished
20:41 < yossarian_> we didn't get it together for this weekend, but i think that
probably those of us in the uk can do a stream as well
20:41 < yossarian_> very interesting conference :)
20:41 < toya> yossarian_: that would be nice for next sunday
20:41 < toya> :)
20:41 < gus> first hours was caotic
20:41 < toya> yah
20:42 < toya> but is the first day too
20:42 < toya> is normal
