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TECHMEET 2008: REUNIÃO FINAL PARA PLANEJAR O LOCAL DO ENCONTRO
QUANDO: Domingo, 18 de Maio, 2008
14:00 São Paulo, 10:00 San Francisco, 17:00 GMT
ONDE: irc.indymedia.org #techmeet
O QUE: Esta reunião irá tomar a decisão final sobre o local e
planejamento do Techmeet 2008. Todos os grupos interessados em
hospedar o Techmeet 2008 - deverão - participar desta reunião e
se preparar para apresentar:
1) Razões pelas quais o local proposto é bom;
2) Um grupo de bom tamanho de pessoas comprometidas a organizar e
tornar o evento possível;
3) Um proposta de período para o evento acontecer.
Antes desta reunião, estamos propondo a reunião (atrasada) sobre o
imc-cms:
REUNIÃO DE INFORME SOBRE O IMC-CMS (NOVO CMS)
QUANDO: Domingo, 18 de Maio, 2008
13:00 São Paulo, 09:00 San Francisco, 16:00 GMT
ONDE: irc.indymedia.org #cms
O QUE: Esta reunião é para juntar os/as desenvolvedores/as e as
pessoas que estão organizando o grupo de trabalho do imc-cms. A
agenda é simplesmente para atualizar as informações
depois de alguns meses de inatividade e/ou com alguma
atividade e planejar as tarefas relacionadas ao imc-cms, tenham em
mente a possibilidade de recuperar o tempo perdido durante o
Techmeet 2008.
Log:
14:00 -!- jamie [jamie@2d9871.e1eaac.72bf89.cf58ba] has joined #techmeet
14:00 < jamie> hi all
14:09 < toya> hi
14:10 < jamie> hi toya
14:10 < jamie> is there a meeting today?
14:26 < osu> jamie: yep, 17:00 GMT
14:28 < jamie> what time is it now? I may be confusing my timezones, but I think it's 17:28 GMT?
14:29 < toya> let me
14:29 < toya> see
14:30 < toya> is in 30 min
14:30 < toya> 11 am sf
14:30 < toya> right now is 10:30
14:31 < jamie> ok. i'll be back in 30 min.
14:31 -!- aline [aline@2a3532.e251a2.ad58b7.9c4a1a] has joined #techmeet
14:31 < toya> ops
14:31 < toya> hey
14:31 < toya> i might be wrong
14:31 < toya> sorry
14:31 < toya> oh no
14:31 < toya> hold
14:31 < toya> cuz i am looking at the topic
14:32 < toya> but i just notice in there it says
14:32 < toya> march 8
14:32 < toya> not 18
14:32 < toya> !
14:32 < osu> haha
14:32 < toya> 1400 Sao Paulo, 1000 San Francisco, 1700 GMT
14:32 < toya> !!!
14:32 < toya> we are actually 30 min late!
14:32 < Zapata> ?
14:33 < Zapata> in DE it's 7:30 pm
14:33 < toya> wtf
14:33 < Zapata> the topic times aren't right
14:33 < toya> yeah cuz if for MARCH 8!
14:33 < Zapata> ;-)
14:33 < Zapata> right
14:34 -!- Iskr [i@37647e.88be63.16b545.50a984] has joined #techmeet
14:34 < jamie> ok - good - cuz I have another meeting in 1 hour :).
14:35 < toya> !
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14:36 < toya> (en) (pt) (es)
14:36 < toya> TECHMEET 2008: FINAL LOCATION PLANNING MEETING
14:36 < toya> ----------------------------------------------
14:36 < toya> WHEN: Sunday, May 18, 2008
14:36 < toya> 1400 Sao Paulo, 1000 San Francisco, 1700 GMT
14:36 < toya> WHERE: irc.indymedia.org #techmeet
14:36 < toya> WHAT: This meeting will make the final decision about the location and
14:36 < toya> planning committee for Techmeet 2008. Any group interested in hosting
14:36 < toya> Techmeet 2008 -must- attend this meeting and be prepared to show:
14:36 < toya> 1) Reasons why their proposed location is good,
14:36 < toya> 2) A good-sized group of local organizers who are committed to making
14:36 < toya> the event possible,
14:36 < toya> 3) A proposed timeframe for the event to take place.
14:36 < toya> We will evaluate each proposed location and make a decision in this
14:36 < toya> meeting.
14:36 < toya> Before this meeting, we propose having the overdue imc-cms meeting:
14:36 < toya> IMC-CMS UPDATE MEETING
14:36 < toya> ----------------------
14:36 < toya> WHEN: Sunday, May 18, 2008
14:36 < toya> 1300 Sao Paulo, 0900 San Francisco, 1600 GMT
14:36 < toya> WHERE: irc.indymedia.org #cms
14:36 < toya> WHAT: This meeting will bring together the developers and organizers
14:36 < toya> of the imc-cms work group. The agenda is simply to catch up after a
14:36 < toya> couple months of inactivity and/or random activity and plan tasks
14:36 < toya> related to the imc-cms, keeping in mind the possibility to rapidly
14:36 < toya> reclaim lost time at this year's Techmeet 2008.
14:36 < toya> aiaiaiaaiaiaiaiai
14:36 < toya> eita lele
14:37 < toya> :/
14:37 < aline> heheh
14:38 < ryan> gghghgh'
14:39 < toya> lets do it!
14:39 < toya> lets do it!
14:40 < toya> this meeting is not going to be too long because we just had a meeting last weekend
14:41 < toya> the goal was to decide a final location for the techmeet 2008 and to decide on a date for it to happen
14:41 < toya> we invited ppl to propose locations, nothing arrived on the email list
14:41 < toya> but maybe someone will bring something to this meeting
14:41 [Users #techmeet]
14:41 [ aline ] [ Iskr ] [ mat ] [ occam] [ toya ]
14:41 [ Alster ] [ jamie ] [ membrana] [ osu ] [ yossarian]
14:41 [ groente] [ kwadronaut] [ nah ] [ ryan ] [ Zapata ]
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14:42 < toya> althought part of the people who were on the last weekend meeting
14:42 < toya> isnt here right now
14:43 < toya> but we must decide what to do for techmeet 2008, because people needs time to plan their travel
14:43 < toya> trip i mean
14:45 -!- ianni [ianni@2a2ca4.ddf950.c3bce0.62f09e] has joined #techmeet
14:45 < ryan> well i would suggest tat:
14:45 < ryan> *that:
14:47 < ryan> 1- we're not going to reolve this decision today,
14:50 < ryan> 2- if the following week is actually used to eollect more data, it'll allow for a better discussion next week,
14:51 -!- jonhattan [jonhattan@d553d1.3dfee8.0ad1b3.ec93cb] has joined #techmeet
14:53 < ryan> 3- we can encourage this by sending out an e-mail today listing the locations being considered, who owns responsibility over collecting info about a location and listing out
what kind of info we need about it
14:54 < toya> .......
14:54 -!- elisa [elisa@48dff2.5d122f.aa3ec3.37ef25] has joined #techmeet
14:54 < ryan> and then, at next week's meeting, we can make the decision
14:55 < toya> i dont think that is a good proposal, because this is what we are doing since december 2007....we go around looking for locations/dates....we study about them etc...them
things dont move forward, then we do it again, go around looking for possible locations, study dates etc...them things dont move forward....
14:55 < toya> in fact it was what we did last meeting
14:55 < elisa> oi
14:55 < toya> them rio, chile, dunno whatelse replied
14:55 < elisa> a reuniao jah come�ou?
14:55 < toya> and we called for this meeting
14:55 < toya> and now at this meeting we are starting to say exactly the same thing
14:55 < toya> lets look for the possibilities etc
14:55 < toya> <fim>
14:56 < elisa> oi
14:56 < elisa> toya a reuniao auqi jah come�ou?
14:56 < toya> jah
14:57 < ryan> the difference is that now we have started holding regular meetings again
14:58 < toya> yes we have, but ppl are not following with what we decide on the meetings...
14:58 < elisa> blz
14:58 < elisa> I'm lost
14:58 < ryan> ok, that happens, that's why we really reinforce it this week
14:59 < elisa> rhatto is here with me
14:59 < elisa> can someone tell in each point of the discussion we are
14:59 < toya> elisa: read the backlog
14:59 < elisa> eu nao tenho screen
14:59 < toya> elisa: i will past for you
14:59 < elisa> :/
15:00 < elisa> valeu
15:00 < ryan> elisa: we are discussing wha the point of this meeting is
15:00 < ryan> elisa: and what the point of next week's meeting should be
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15:01 < elisa> ok
15:01 < elisa> the point for this week meeting was to decide the place and dates?
15:02 < toya> yes
15:02 < toya> it was what we decided last meeting
15:02 < toya> and what we put on the call for this meeting
15:04 < toya> the thing is
15:04 < toya> that after the meeting we had last week
15:05 < toya> we sent a call for this meeting
15:05 < toya> explainning that the ppl who wanted to host it
15:05 < toya> would have to send a proposal
15:05 < toya> explainning why they want, the resources they have etc
15:05 < toya> but nothing was sent to the email list
15:05 < toya> so i wonder if there are ppl here who has a hosting proposal and would like to present it?
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15:07 < elisa-rhatto> nah e ianni t�o por a
15:07 < ianni> sim
15:07 < elisa-rhatto> legal
15:08 < elisa-rhatto> tah afim de falar da proposta de vcs?
15:08 < elisa-rhatto> de fazer no rio?
15:08 < ianni> eu acabo de chegar
15:08 < ianni> imaginei que
15:08 < ianni> as pessoas iam falar um pouco
15:08 < ianni> mas sim, posso falar
15:08 < ianni> de nossa proposta
15:08 < ianni> .
15:08 < ianni> < perdida
15:08 < elisa-rhatto> duas
15:09 < elisa-rhatto> tb acabei de chegar
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15:09 < toya> vcs viram o log?
15:09 < toya> e o chamado da reuniao?
15:10 < elisa-rhatto> ryan do you think that is better to postpone this decision?
15:11 < elisa-rhatto> ppl from brazil has a propost about place
15:12 < ianni> hmmm
15:12 < elisa-rhatto> sim sim
15:12 < ryan> sim, acho que eh melor adiar
15:13 < elisa-rhatto> se ninguem respondeu e ninguem veio
15:13 < elisa-rhatto> eh nois na fita
15:13 < ianni> well, the log was sent to the list
15:13 < elisa-rhatto> I think that is not good to postpone again
15:13 < ianni> anyhow is the people from chilre around?
15:13 < elisa-rhatto> I put the log of the last meet in the wiki
15:14 < ryan> acho que o maior tarefas importante para este grupo eh reconstituir o a disciplina, a energia, et
15:15 < ryan> podemos fazer isso por o que eu disse
15:15 < elisa-rhatto> ianni seria legal vc dar o informe da ideia de fazer no rio pro pessoal ter o que discutir
15:15 < ryan> para reforcar o preceso
15:16 < ianni> i was thinking we were to already decide on the dates and place
15:16 < ryan> mas como podemos comparar a ideia de rio sem informacoes os outros?
15:16 < ianni> so i even can tlak about a proposal
15:16 < ianni> we have of doing it in rio
15:16 < ianni> i think
15:17 < ianni> we could at least
15:17 < ryan> sim pode ser mas acho que seria ter que estar repetido em un reuniao futuro
15:17 < ianni> talk about what we have until now
15:17 < ryan> *tera que estar repetido" ?
15:17 < ryan> *teria
15:18 < ianni> there is a kind of anxiety in the process because we are trying to decide it for a while... and people wiuld like to set their schedule for the trips
15:19 < ianni> if there wasnt
15:19 < ryan> sim, acorcodo
15:19 < ianni> any more options until now
15:19 < ianni> i think we can go on
15:19 < ianni> as far as i know
15:19 < ianni> tehere was only one proposal last meeting
15:19 < ianni> chile
15:19 < ianni> right?
15:19 < ianni> we in brazil have a plan b
15:20 < membrana> we can send proposal about rio de janeiro to the list than, and next week talk about
15:20 < ryan> mas nao acho que a solucao eh focalizar em a presentacao em isolacao
15:20 < toya> yeah i think that is better
15:20 < jamie> I don't know of any tech groups in guatemala but... have you thought about scheduling it around the social forum of the americas in Guatemala (Oct 2008) - just before or
after?
15:20 < toya> because last meeting we proposed a process which the end would be at this meeting today, which is deciding from the proposals which one is the best
15:20 < toya> but part of this process didnt happen
15:21 < toya> which is the part of where ppl sent the proposals
15:21 < toya> so we need to focus on that part
15:22 < toya> to make ppl realize that it wont work if all the process is done...otherwise we will
15:22 < toya> be discussin in vague again...we will talk about the rio proposal without chile ppl around, then if we decide anything, chile ppl will ask but what about us?
15:22 < toya> etc
15:23 < toya> what we need to do is to reinforce that whoever wants to host it needs to follow up with the things our meetings are deciding
15:23 < toya> jamie: what you saying sounds like a good proposal
15:24 < ryan> jamie: sim, parece uma boa ideia
15:24 < jamie> it could help build attendance at both events. on the other hand - i'm not sure how it could be organized without people there on the ground ?
15:25 < ianni> oh, ok. i thought there werent any other proposals besides chile... so should we present our proposal now (brasil) or send it to the list?
15:25 < toya> so my suggestion is for chile, rio, guatemala(?) organize a proposal and send it to the list this week, and we also orgnanize a call for another meeting next week, and we see
if this time it will work out
15:25 < toya> jamie: you not in guatemala?
15:26 < ryan> ianni: i think we write a letter & send out
15:26 < ryan> which says:
15:26 < jamie> no - in nyc :(
15:26 < ryan> 1- we held the techmeet mtg today but not everyone with responsibilities showed up so we had to change the focus of the meeting
15:26 < ryan> 2- the next meeting is WHEN
15:27 < ryan> 3- for the next meeting, we want to decie a time and location so we need all "owners" of each location show show up and explain th possibilities
15:27 < ryan> 4- then we list the known "owners" and wat locations they are famous for
15:28 < ryan> 5- then, we call for other ocation suggestions, if they exist
15:28 < ianni> well.
15:29 < ryan> and i think that is all
15:29 < ryan> except:
15:29 < ianni> ok.
15:30 < ryan> 6- talk about importance of follow-through right now, we are running out of time and need to make it happen
15:31 < ryan> and then send this out to everyone
15:32 < ryan> OH .. and, if people want send their proposals to the list before the next meeting, we encourage that
15:32 < ianni> well...
15:32 < ianni> end of reunion then?
15:33 < ryan> well, you are ok with this solution?
15:36 < elisa-rhatto> hey, sorry, lets see if we understood the proposal
15:36 < elisa-rhatto> 1 - people should send their proposed meeting locations and dates to the mailing list until the next meeting
15:37 < elisa-rhatto> thats right?
15:37 < ianni> thats what i understood
15:37 < toya> yes
15:37 < toya> or they can just bring it to the meeting
15:37 < elisa-rhatto> right
15:38 < toya> presented it right at the meeting
15:38 < elisa-rhatto> 2 - then, in the next meeting we present again the proposals and make the decision?
15:38 < ianni> i kind of was prepared to do it today
15:38 < toya> well
15:38 < toya> ok
15:39 < ianni> because we will do next meeting what we were supoosed ti do today
15:39 < toya> ianni: yes today was supposed to be like that you would be presenting it
15:39 < toya> but
15:39 < toya> the other ppl arent here
15:39 < ianni> i see
15:39 < toya> neither sent nothing to the list
15:39 < toya> soooooo
15:39 < ryan> you would be the only one :)
15:39 < ianni> i undersatnd
15:39 < toya> that is why we are talking about trying to do it again
15:39 < ianni> i see
15:39 < ianni> well
15:39 < ianni> actually
15:39 < toya> where we are saying that ppl should either email their proposals or be prepared to present them on the meeting
15:40 < toya> the whole point for it is that
15:40 < toya> at the meeting we can ask questions to either group who wants to host
15:40 < toya> so we can decided which proposal is the best
15:40 < elisa-rhatto> right
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15:41 < elisa-rhatto> we're not against this proposal but we think thats a bit of wasting our time; we'll explain:
15:42 < elisa-rhatto> we here think that people from argentina and chile arent quite interested, or ready, or with structure, etc to host a meeting; otherwise they would be here or would
at least show more desire to do so;
15:43 < toya> (that is what i said last meeting...and ppl disagreed and leaded to todays meeting)
15:43 < elisa-rhatto> we here think that hosting a meeting in chile or argentina was an initiative of the whole techmeet and not from people from these places;
15:44 < elisa-rhatto> then we think that argentina and chile places are a bit shy to say they cant or dont want to host techmeet
15:44 < elisa-rhatto> so,
15:44 < ryan> that could be -- but there might be other, new people with location ideas -- or it could be that mat as half-jooking about not remembering about hosting techmeet
15:45 < ryan> plus we didnt send a reminder email for this meeting
15:45 < toya> ....
15:45 < ryan> like yeterday or day before
15:46 < ryan> sorry, go ahead and finish, silvio
15:46 < elisa-rhatto> ah, well
15:46 < elisa-rhatto> hehe
15:46 < elisa-rhatto> the point is:
15:47 < elisa-rhatto> we agree _both_ with postpone the decision or to make the decision today:
15:47 < elisa-rhatto> we really agree that more time means more location options, but,
15:47 < ryan> well let me ask you this
15:47 < elisa-rhatto> at the same time, that mens less time to people get ready to travel
15:48 < elisa-rhatto> we're here just a bit inpatient :P
15:48 < ryan> do you believe that today, the 4 of us, should decide 100% when and where techmeet should be and then just let the others know?
15:49 < elisa-rhatto> well
15:49 < elisa-rhatto> not 100%
15:49 < elisa-rhatto> but we can sinalize
15:50 < elisa-rhatto> and feel whats the best place
15:50 < toya> but
15:50 < elisa-rhatto> look:
15:50 < toya> there is only one place proposal present at this meeting
15:50 < toya> we are going in a loop here
15:50 < toya> must of the things said are being said again
15:50 < ryan> ok well, whatever, debating this is taking even more time
15:51 < elisa-rhatto> ok
15:51 < ryan> go ahead and present the proposal
15:52 < elisa-rhatto> ianni?
15:52 < ryan> and, i still think we send out the email like i said ( i can write it if someone can trnslate it)
15:52 < toya> the proposal came out of the facts that: 1. ppl didnt followed up with the last meeting as it was supposed to happen 2.todday meeting we have only one place proposal present
3. because of that we dont feel we can decide anything, because the other ppl will ask about their proposals - which were not sent during the past week but have being talked
about during the last many meetings we had
15:52 < membrana> I think that one more week its good, and with the proposal send to the list, maybe next meeting will be with more ppl
15:53 < ianni> right.. we will send the proposal to the list. next week i wont be able to participate on yhe online meeting, but i will see if nah or membrana can do it.
15:53 < elisa-rhatto> :)
15:53 < ianni> ops, present it now?
15:53 < toya> ianni: do what you want, if youpresent now we send the log to the list
15:53 < toya> ianni: if you dont want to, you can write it and send to the list
15:53 < ianni> it is simple
15:53 < toya> ianni: if you dont want to you can ask nah or membranda to present it at the next meeting
15:54 < ianni> rio. 5, 6, 7 september
15:54 < ianni> we have a large place to the meetings
15:54 < ianni> and we can sleep and eat there as well
15:55 < ianni> and there are nice places in rio
15:55 < ianni> <fim>
15:55 < ianni> look
15:56 < ianni> we only thought of rio because
15:56 < ianni> there seemed to be difficulties in hosting it
15:56 < ianni> in chile
15:56 < ianni> or anywhere else
15:56 < ianni> ..
15:56 < ianni> but as there are more places
15:57 < ianni> for proposals ok
15:57 < ianni> we have a nice text in pt and english
15:57 < ianni> we send it to the list
15:57 < ianni> ok?
15:58 < toya> ok
15:59 < elisa-rhatto> ok :)
16:00 < ryan> ok
16:00 < ryan> and i wll quickly write the email
16:00 < ryan> BUT, i need elp
16:00 < ryan> *help
16:00 < ryan> so far, what are the proposed location?
16:00 < ryan> sao paulo
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16:01 < elisa-rhatto> not sao paulo but rio de janeiro
16:01 < ryan> buenos aires
16:01 < ryan> santiago
16:01 < ryan> oh right, rio e janeiro
16:02 < ryan> guatemala (wsf)
16:02 < nah> hey, i'm here
16:02 < nah> :)
16:03 < ryan> something having to do with porto alegre (maybe it goes with rio de janeiro plan)
16:04 < ryan> the august conference there
16:05 < ryan> actually, that aug conference is in brasilia (even closer to rio)
16:06 < ianni> august conference?
16:07 < ryan> there is n august conf in brasilia that isabela & i are attending
16:08 < ianni> oh ok
16:08 < ryan> ok so, we're going to write this letter and send it out
16:08 < ryan> and you guys are gonna send out your proposal
16:09 < ryan> and we'll meet next week, same time to make it easy?
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16:15 < ianni> ok. i wont say anything for next meetings date/time. please send whatever is decided to the list. but remember right now its 16:13 in brasil :)
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16:19 < elisa-rhatto> same for us :)
16:19 < Zapata> and it's 5 hours later in europe
16:31 < drebs> i thought it was four
16:32 < Zapata> it's 5 when it's summer in europe and winter in sao paulo, 3 when it's the other way around
16:32 < Zapata> in between it's briefly 4
16:54 < elisa-rhatto> estamos indo
16:55 < elisa-rhatto> ate
