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17:53 <@toya> opa
17:53 <@toya> vou fazer um cafe
17:57 < guido> caf���
17:57 < guido> :D~
17:57 < nah> cerveza :)
17:57 < guido> nah!
17:57 < nah> hola guido!
17:57 < nah> :)
18:01 < nah> entonces, tech meeting now?
18:02 < guido> yes
18:03 -!- nah is now known as pinah
18:06 < pinah> ping toya
18:06 <@toya> tava fazendo cafe
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18:07 < foz> hi
18:11 <@toya> so we have many things to discuss
18:11 -!- bomboclat [bomboclat@842092.b65057.a92f90.a17bd0] has joined #techmeet
18:11 <@toya> 1. rio proposal - then inside of that there is a suggestion of another date for rio
18:11 <@toya> 2. chile proposal
18:11 <@toya> 3. jamiess's proposal
18:12 <@toya> seria eso?
18:12 < pinah> jamie proposal?
18:12 < pinah> where is it?
18:12 -!- pinah is now known as nah
18:12 < nah> hi bomboclat :)
18:12 <@toya> actually
18:12 <@toya> there is no jamie proposal
18:12 <@toya> hehee
18:12 < bomboclat> hi nah
18:12 <@toya> so it is
18:13 <@toya> 1. rio proposal - then, inside of that there is a suggestion to change the dates for rio
18:13 <@toya> 2. chile proposal
18:13 <@toya> thats it
18:13 <@toya> unless i am missing somethign
18:15 < guido> i think you are not
18:15 <@toya> ok
18:16 < nah> ok
18:16 <@toya> so maybe we should start by listening to the chile proposal - or did you post it on the wiki?
18:16 <@toya> since we already got the one from rio by email and is on the wiki
18:17 <@toya> hey nah where is the url for the rio one?
18:17 < nah> guido can introduce chile proposal?
18:17 < guido> yes i can
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18:18 < guido> the proposal is for santiago, to make the event in hackreta hacklab (hackreta.org)
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18:19 < guido> in september
18:19 < guido> between the 13 and 21
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18:20 < guido> we can host people in squated houses
18:20 < bomboclat> fuck, in italy on 19 20 21 there is hackmeeting
18:21 < bomboclat> we'll join digitally then
18:21 <@toya> bomboclat: we are just listening to the proposals....
18:21 < bomboclat> :)
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18:22 < guido> about the collectives who support the event, there are only two tech collectives in santiago
18:22 < guido> entodaspartes! and the kids of the hacklab
18:22 < guido> for that reason there is not a big group of people who can help to organize the event
18:23 <@toya> guido: about food etc ppl can cook at the squats? or at the hacklab? or there are places to eat around?
18:24 < guido> yeah you can cook on the squats and the hacklab, also, the hacklab is at 5 minutes walking from downtown
18:24 < guido> so, is full of restaurants
18:25 <@toya> nice
18:25 <@ryan> hello pee-po.
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18:25 < guido> the issue we have is about the dates, because there is a nadir meeting and the italian hackmeeting
18:26 <@ryan> guido: what are the dates for those meetings?
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18:26 < osu> holas
18:26 <@toya> the nadir
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18:26 <@toya> is 19 20 and 21
18:27 <@toya> of september
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18:27 < guido> the same for italian hm
18:27 < bomboclat> I don't know how many people could come from italy
18:28 < guido> sooooo maybe we can setup to host the techmeet for a next year and support the rio proposal
18:28 < nah> so, you have other proposal dates, guido?
18:28 < guido> nah: nope
18:28 < nah> humm
18:28 <@toya> well
18:28 <@toya> so for rio there are 2 dates proposed right?
18:28 <@toya> nah: 5, 6 and 7 and????
18:29 < nah> let me sse
18:29 < nah> ops
18:29 < nah> see
18:29 < nah> hehe
18:30 < nah> 27-28/09 ou 03-05/10
18:30 <@toya> k
18:30 < nah> (kkk took my baby away)
18:30 < nah> :P
18:30 <@toya> <-has problems with the dates at the end of the month
18:30 < nah> humm
18:30 <@toya> it will be harder for us to go down at that time
18:30 < bomboclat> nah, ihih
18:31 <@toya> then at the beginning of the month
18:31 < nah> :)
18:31 < nah> for me all dats are ok
18:31 < nah> dates
18:32 <@toya> alright whata bout the rest of the ppl?
18:32 < nah> i just want to ask ppl from css about this dates..
18:32 <@toya> and guido if you guys support rio proposal for this year and do it next year
18:32 <@toya> you still can come to rio right?
18:32 <@toya> and the kids from chile as well ?
18:32 < nah> http://techmeet.org/txt/Rio_de_Janeiro_-_2008
18:32 < guido> if is in october i dunno, cuz is probably our hackmeeting then
18:33 <@toya> you say at the 27-28 of september?
18:34 < guido> yes
18:34 <@toya> anybody else want to say their opinion about the dates?
18:34 <@toya> :)
18:34 < guido> i dont know anyway how many people from chicle can go
18:35 <@toya> i think whenever we close date/place
18:35 <@toya> we can start organize calls
18:35 <@toya> and also a fund to help out with ppl tickets etc
18:35 <@toya> ppl from the south of course :P
18:37 <@toya> so....so far things are moving towards doing it in rio at the 5-6-7 of september...
18:37 <@toya> wonder what ppl are thinking about that
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18:37 < nah> so, we have occam opinion about techmeet in the list too
18:37 <@toya> can you past it here?
18:38 < nah> yes
18:38 < nah> you know i love brasil, but since the last techmeet was already in
18:38 < nah> brasil, this time we really should do it in another country. So it is
18:38 < nah> not just the same people. We need a good outreach, and the best way
18:38 < nah> is to go to another country and meet NEW people.
18:38 < nah> sorry to say that.
18:38 < nah> occam
18:39 < nah> so....
18:40 < foz> i think if there is no other alternative it should happen in brasil and start to organize the other one in other place
18:44 < nah> so, i dont know what to say now.. i proposed to host techmeet i want to have other opinions about it
18:44 <@toya> i agree with occam, there is the proposal from chile but they are open to support the rio proposal and organize things to host techmeet next
year (2009) in chile - if that makes things easier to pick a place and date i am cool with that
18:45 < nah> then, in 2009 we will have other global meeting?
18:45 <@toya> although, it would be possible for me and ryan to participate if the dates are closer to the beginning of the month...and as well for guido
and other ppl from chile - since in octuber they have a gathering there, so the end of the month of september is harder for them
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18:47 <@toya> nah: normally the way we are doing is to have one year face to face another distributed, so i dont know..guido are you talking about doing the
next face-face? 2010? or in 2009 and we dont do the distributed then?
18:47 < guido> can be both
18:47 < guido> i dunno if 2009 can be too soon
18:49 < guido> also i dont know for how long the spaces will still exist. But if they dont, we are going to probably find a new place to make the event
18:50 < nah> yeah, me too, about the spaces :)
18:53 <@toya> yeah i agree, it can be either way, we can meet in chile in 2009 and still have distributed gathering happenning following what is going on in
chile
18:54 < nah> ok, then in this year it will be distributed gathering
18:54 < nah> right?
18:54 <@toya> well, about the people who said in the list they agreed with the dates proposed by rhatto (the ones at the end o the month)
18:54 <@toya> nah: no
18:55 <@toya> nah: face to face in rio, last year was distributed..
18:55 < nah> ok
18:55 <@toya> nah: is one year distributed, one face to face, the next one that i am saying it could be a mixing of both
18:55 <@toya> (next one 2009)
18:55 < nah> ah ok
18:55 < membrana> what problem with santiago in september? I think santiago is nice
18:56 <@toya> so far is the date that will happen at the same time as nadir and hackmeeting in italy
18:56 < nah> it's ok for me, i think it's ok for ccs too (the place that i proposed). can i paste rhatto email about the other dates proposed?
18:57 <@toya> is alooooong email
18:57 <@toya> hehee
18:58 < nah> hehehe
18:58 < nah> yes...
18:59 <@toya> anw the point of his email is:
18:59 < nah> (pt: toya, vc pode falar dos motivos dele?)
18:59 <@toya> he suggested to do it on the end of the month, because by that time a few important event will be over already
18:59 <@toya> by that he meant the nadir one
19:00 <@toya> and one organized by the other side of the force in brasil, interpol, fbi, etc
19:00 <@toya> discussing internet security and policies
19:00 <@toya> so if we host it at the end of the month..the ppl who went to those events
19:00 <@toya> could report back
19:00 <@toya> and that would fill up our discussions
19:00 <@toya> (nah: eh isso? ou tem mais coisa?)
19:01 < nah> yes, i cant paste the dates
19:01 < nah> can
19:01 < nah> hehe
19:01 < nah> 19-21 Sep: NDR - Budapest 23-26 Sep: ICCYBER 2008 - Rio de Janeiro - http://www.iccyber.org/2008/english/ 27-28 Sep or 03-05 Oct: Techmeet 2008
- Rio de Janeiro
19:02 < nah> hmm
19:02 <@toya> some people supported his proposal...but mostly were ppl from brasil right?
19:02 < nah> yeah
19:03 <@toya> i think we should consider as well the position of the ppl who will be comming from far away
19:05 <@toya> because it seems they arent good only for the ppl who will be comming from outside of brasil
19:06 < nah> sorry, i dont understand, can you translate to pt?
19:06 <@toya> sure
19:06 <@toya> eu acho que a gente deveria considerar a posicao das pessoas que estarao viajando de longe
19:07 <@toya> porque parece que as datas nao sao boas apenas para as pessoas que estarao vindo de fora do brasil
19:07 < nah> ah, ok
19:07 < nah> so, the dates are not ok for anyone?
19:07 < nah> heh
19:08 <@toya> the ones that rhatto proposed
19:08 <@toya> are ok for ppl in brasil, but not for those comming from other countries
19:08 <@toya> so far
19:08 < nah> ok
19:09 <@toya> so, since we have to make a decision, it makes sense to think of the ppl who are comming from far away
19:11 < guido> we can't make a decision between 4 ppl
19:11 < nah> yes, i agree.
19:11 <@toya> well,
19:11 <@toya> again
19:11 <@toya> last meeting we said the same thing
19:11 <@toya> then we moved to the list
19:11 <@toya> and many ppl knew about it and put their position in the list
19:12 <@toya> is hard to keep moving the decision forward because of lack of participation
19:12 <@toya> because this has being the problem since the beginning of this year
19:12 <@toya> i agree 4 ppl decision SUCKS
19:12 < nah> :/
19:12 <@toya> but i dont think we should put on the table everything again
19:12 <@toya> cuz is not fair
19:12 <@toya> to the process
19:13 <@toya> so i would suggest
19:13 <@toya> that we come out with a proposal from this meeting
19:13 <@toya> and said who were here decide on that
19:13 <@toya> cuz of x and y
19:13 < foz> i agree
19:13 <@toya> and then we givi it time for other ppl to present their thoughts of it
19:13 <@toya> a deadline
19:13 <@toya> and a meeting to reach consensus - at this deadline
19:14 <@toya> otherwise we will get on the same infinite loop
19:14 <@toya> we are
19:14 <@toya> of meeting, talking and talking not deciding nothing cuz of lack of participation
19:14 <@toya> things needs to move on
19:14 <@toya> everyone knew today were the DECISION DAY
19:14 <@toya> i agree it shouldnt be the LAST WORD ON IT
19:15 <@toya> but it should for sure have some decision out of this meeting
19:16 < nah> i agree
19:16 < nah> bomboclat: can you forward to italian ppl?
19:16 < nah> about techmeet and proposal?
19:16 <@toya> so let me summarize what i think we are agreeing here with:
19:16 < nah> ok
19:17 <@toya> the techmeet 2008 will be in rio, dates 5-6-7 of september....and we propose for next year to have a facetoface meeting in chile/santiago,
with distributed gathering happening as well
19:18 <@toya> FIM
19:18 <@toya> :)
19:20 <@toya> why we decided that:
19:20 <@toya> 1. chile dates will be at the same time as nadir - and chile said they would support rio proposal and host the next year
19:20 <@toya> 2. rhatto dates proposal arent good for ppl comming from other countries
19:21 <@toya> is that ok?
19:21 < guido> why a distributed gather for 2009?
19:22 <@toya> guido: cuz techmeet so far is set to happen with a face to face meeting in one year and a distributed one in the next... so 2006 was face to
face in sao paulo, 2007 was distributed...
19:22 <@toya> by this logic 2009 should be distributed
19:22 <@toya> but i think we should try to make a face to face and incentivate who cant come to organize distributed gatherings as well
19:22 < nah> i didnt undersantand why rhattos dates wasnt good for ppl comeing from out]
19:22 < guido> i see
19:23 <@toya> and maybe more ppl will come to a face to face in 2009, more than this one in 2008 with so many events happenning at the same time
19:23 <@toya> nah: isnt good for me and ryan because we are organizing to be in brasil at the end of august till the first weeks of september, we cant stay
longer till the end of the month, is too much time for us...
19:24 <@toya> nah: and for chile because is either close to octuber or in octuber, when they will have their hackmeeting
19:25 < nah> ah ok
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19:28 < nah> ok, so, i agree with your deadline proposal
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19:28 < nah> september dates are ok for me, and ppl from ccs space
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19:30 <@toya> alright so i can send a summary of what i wrote here that we came out with to the list
19:30 <@toya> and propose a deadline
19:30 <@toya> when that should be?
19:30 <@toya> a week from now?
19:30 <@toya> 2 weeks?
19:31 < nah> sure
19:31 < nah> 2 weeks
19:31 <@toya> alright baby :*
19:31 <@toya> hehehehehee
19:32 < guido> two weeks is ok
19:32 < nah> hehehehehehhe
19:32 < membrana> ok
19:32 < membrana> :)
19:33 <@toya> cool
19:33 < foz> ok
19:34 < nah> toya: so, you send
19:34 < nah> the deadline
19:34 < nah> :)
19:36 <@toya> alright
19:36 <@toya> i will get all the stuff together send to the list
19:36 <@toya> if i write something wrong you ppl say it on the list! !
19:36 <@toya> is this the end?
19:36 <@toya> (for the log to stop)
19:37 < nah> ok!
19:37 < nah> yes
