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21AugMtgLogFrom techmeetThis is the raw IRC log of the 21 Aug Meeting for techmeet2007. You should also refer to 21AugMtgAgenda and 21AugMeeting Notes for more details about this meeting. --- Log opened Tue Aug 21 09:44:14 2007 09:44 <@ryan> test 09:44 <@ryan> ok, i'm logging 09:44 <@ryan> let's start!!!!! 09:44 <@ryan> everybody give a 1-sentence introduction... 09:45 <@elisa> ok 09:45 <@rhatto> im rhatto from brazil, sarava.org and former indymedia techie 09:45 * Zapata Max from indy.nl and mir... 09:46 <@ryan> i'm ryan ... from san francisco ... i work with indymedia, sf-active, linefeed, sfccp, a bunch of different activist groups, and as a job i run a free sof tware business 09:46 <@elisa> elisa - from birosca , sarava and indymedia brazil 09:46 <@guido> hi im guido, frm santiago de chile. im part of the sindominio project and santiago imc, im also working in a new taz called en todas partes 09:46 <@ryan> acracia? foz? jgarrido? kwadronaut? membrana? occam? osu? toya? 09:46 <@foz> foz from indymedia brazil- paulo and birosca, work with videos 09:46 <@toya> i am toya from brasil, now living in sf, i help with indymedia brasil, birosca.org, linefeed and sfccp 09:47 <@ryan> acracia? jgarrido? kwadronaut? membrana? occam? osu? 09:47 <@osu> im ignacio from santiago chile, work in entodaspartes, in a hacklab called hackreta 09:48 <@kwadronaut> kwadronaut: indymedia.nl, sf-active, spip, translationtool, radio.... now living in .nl. 09:48 <@ryan> acracia? jgarrido? membrana? occam? 09:49 <@membrana> membrana from from brasil - rio, i'm helping cmi with cmi-brasil-tech 09:49 <@ryan> ok, occam is from germany, he works with indymedia, sf-active, linefeed, sfccp :D 09:49 <@ryan> acracia has been idling for a long time... 09:49 <@ryan> so, jgarrido? last chance :D 09:50 <@ryan> ok. facilitation volunteer? 09:50 <@osu> jgarrido work with us in entodaspartes!org 09:50 <@elisa> eu 09:51 <@elisa> I can do the facilitation 09:51 <@ryan> elisa: :D YAY 09:51 <@ryan> you are the boss, i'm done talking 09:51 <@elisa> ai caraio 09:51 <@ryan> :D :D 09:52 <@elisa> we gonna start for the agenda? 09:52 <@elisa> * Introductions 09:52 <@elisa> * Distributed Techmeet Concept (ryan?) 09:52 <@elisa> * Techmeet propaganda 09:52 <@elisa> * Registering Techmeet Cities 09:52 <@elisa> * Building Conferencing Infrastructure 09:52 <@elisa> * Preparation for Topics 09:52 <@elisa> * Topic - Indymedia CMS 09:52 <@elisa> * Topic - Tech collective collaboration 09:52 <@elisa> * Next steps 09:53 <@elisa> does somebody has something to add in this list? 09:54 <@toya> no 09:54 * toya no 09:54 <@rhatto> no 09:54 <@elisa> ok 09:54 <@guido> no 09:55 <@elisa> so ryan you can starts with this * Distributed Techmeet Concept (ryan?) ? 09:55 <@ryan> ok 09:55 <@ryan> i will keep it short because i think most people know this 09:55 <@ryan> last year, we had the first ever techmeet in sao paulo... i think everyone agrees it was a big success thanks to the work of the sao paulo organizers 09:56 <@ryan> and we got some crucial important projects started there which we've all worked on, to some degree 09:57 <@ryan> but since no one else seems to be addressing the problems that these projects are about, we should probably continue with techmeet and these projects!! 09:57 <@ryan> so the idea is that this year, to save money and time, we would have a distributed techmeet 09:57 <@ryan> with smaller events in different cities around the world, which we promote in one place as distributed techmeet events 09:58 <@ryan> and then, we set up virtual conferences, ideally with audio/video, to continue the discussions from last year, do work on these projects, etc 09:58 <@ryan> thats it! this is the first meeting where we would make plans for that 09:58 <@ryan> fin 09:58 <@elisa> ok 09:59 <@acracia> hi sorry 09:59 <@acracia> i thought i will make it but not :( 09:59 <@acracia> i mean to the irc meeting 09:59 <@ryan> acracia, give an introduction 10:00 <@ryan> where you are from, location & groups 10:00 <@acracia> i am tatiana, working from imc estrcho for a while and then moved to the netherlands now 10:00 <@acracia> i'm argentinian and i think i met you at caracas jan 2005 10:00 <@acracia> :0 10:00 <@ryan> heh yeah? :) ok 10:00 <@ryan> i was there 10:00 <@ryan> er, in 2006 10:01 <@acracia> i would like to set up some sort of red phone networks, similars to the ones we did for the oaxaca streaming needs, but that similarly affect real work of activists 10:01 <@acracia> and stay a bit out of the vaporware 10:01 <@acracia> hmmm yeah, maybe 2006 world soial forum 10:01 <@elisa> so, it would be good to know, how are the things in each city , if the groups are thinking about the meet 10:02 * ryan could talk about SF 10:02 <@acracia> sorry i have to run again, but my screen will keep running, and i will give you a bigger intro later on or my ideas... actaully i planned to join the m eeting now ut i'm at work and have to run now to catch this plane 10:02 <@elisa> go on 10:02 <@ryan> ok 10:02 <@ryan> so for san francisco, i think we could put together a couple nice events and have a big turnout 10:03 <@ryan> i *think* we could put on an event that could also be a fundraiser for something 10:03 <@ryan> maybe for plane tickets for next year's techmeet 10:03 <@ryan> so, we were thinking screening some movies about geeky stuff... or just having some type of party thing at this place by my house, 'cafe do brasil' :D :D 10:03 <@ryan> and then, for sure, we could set up and participate in the video teleconferences 10:04 <@ryan> also, there is a 'hackmeet' in san francisco at the same time 10:04 <@acracia> we were talking with xaam about video tutorials 10:04 <@acracia> really needed 10:04 <@elisa> good point 10:04 <@ryan> so, i think it makes sense for techmeet to be at the same time as this 10:04 <@elisa> hackmeet 10:04 <@ryan> so that people going to that could be going to this 10:04 <@acracia> maybe if we have the expertise we can set up a couple of cameras 10:04 * toya raise her hand 10:05 <@ryan> unfortunately, hackmeet isn't allowing techmeet to have a presentation at their thing 10:05 <@elisa> ryan, is this? 10:05 <@ryan> we sent a proposal for there to be something, and at first they liked it 10:05 <@ryan> but then because of some bullshit, they said we're not welcome :/ 10:05 <@elisa> h<E3>? 10:05 <@guido> ryan: why you can't? 10:06 <@ryan> but that's ok, there are plenty of people in san francisco who want to go to hackmeet and techmeet 10:06 <@ryan> so i think its good to still cooperate with it, 10:06 <@elisa> good 10:06 <@ryan> by having it at the same time 10:06 <@ryan> guido/elisa: eh, it's stupid 10:06 <@elisa> I know 10:06 <@ryan> guido/elisa: i could tell you somewhere else 10:06 <@ryan> ok, sorry 10:07 <@elisa> toya go on 10:07 <@elisa> () ryan we can talk about this in the end of this meet 10:07 <@ryan> last thing -- so there is a local san francisco group formed who will put on events for techmeet -- includes people from the hackblog.org collective -- an d thats it, end 10:08 <@toya> i was just going to ask to ppl wait for who is talking to be done, and then start to talk otherwise it will get confuse i think..i am trying to take notes and do a sumary of this meeting for the list - for the ppl who arent here..so that would help if ppl do that way :))) 10:08 <@toya> done! 10:08 -!- micah [micah@2a2ca4.ddf950.c3bce0.68d247] has joined #techmeet 10:08 <@elisa> ok toya 10:08 * guido want to talk about santiago 10:08 <@elisa> micah can you introduce yourself ? 10:09 <@elisa> go on guido 10:10 <@guido> well santiago/chile will have also a hackmeeting at that date, i dont think there is a problem of setting up some spaces for techmeet inside of it. 10:10 <@occam> moin 10:11 <@guido> and i think it could be a very good idea to colaborate, but of course we have to talk about that in the hackmeeting list here too 10:11 <@guido> end 10:11 * Zapata raises 10:11 <@elisa> go on Zapata 10:11 -!- nah [nah@c06fe3.47bf1d.f67cb0.3b7082] has joined #techmeet 10:11 <@Zapata> we could have a techmeet in germany/netherlands.... 10:11 <@Zapata> as I proposed earlier, if it stays small, it could be at my house... 10:12 <@Zapata> I wonder what the other locals are thinking... 10:12 <@Zapata> <end> 10:13 * rhatto raises 10:13 <@elisa> go on 10:13 <@rhatto> in brazil, given the size of the country, we could make two or three: 10:13 * kwadronaut raises, in response to zapatas "other locals" 10:13 -!- g_almocando [g@c06fe3.47bf1d.f67cb0.3b7082] has joined #techmeet 10:13 < g_almocando> entrei 10:14 <@rhatto> one in the region of sao paulo / campinas / rio de janeiro and another in the center of the country (brasilia or goiania) 10:14 <@rhatto> and perhaps others if we find enough people 10:14 <@rhatto> end 10:14 <@elisa> kwadrounat 10:14 -!- g_almocando is now known as g_techmeet 10:14 <@elisa> ah nunca escrevo certo 10:14 < micah> hi, i'm micah, from the empire USA, i'm involved in riseup, and have been doing indymedia since years ago 10:14 <@elisa> kwadronaut go on 10:14 <@kwadronaut> it really depends on the enthusiasm of other locals, there are a lot of people that could be interested. 10:15 <@ryan> g_techmeet: will you give an introduction? 10:15 <@ryan> nah: will you give an introduction? 10:15 <@kwadronaut> so if more people show enthusiasm, from the local hacklabs, it can be bigger, if not, i guess it can be nice to have it at Zapatas 10:16 <@kwadronaut> end 10:16 < g_techmeet> about me? 10:16 <@ryan> g_techmeet: yes 10:16 <@elisa> pode ser em portugues 10:16 < g_techmeet> i am giba, from brazil, imc, and free radio, 10:16 < g_techmeet> putz agora q vc avisa 10:16 < g_techmeet> end 10:16 <@elisa> valeu 10:17 < nah> hi, i'm nah, from goiania, imc-brasil and brasil-tech.. 10:17 < nah> ok :) 10:17 <@elisa> ok, more ppl wants to talk about the meet in their city? 10:18 <@ryan> so what cities do we have so far? san francisco, netherlands, possible germany, sao paulo, brasilia/goiania 10:18 <@ryan> santiago 10:19 <@ryan> possibly, there will be one in houston, texas, usa 10:19 <@ryan> tish from houston imc was talking about it with me 10:19 <@ryan> i think we will be able to at least get conference participation from buenos aires 10:20 <@ryan> maybe we should talk about what cities we want to try and get involved? 10:20 <@ryan> i think madrid or barcelona (i forget which) has a hacklab happening at this time, we should try to organize something there 10:20 <@ryan> there is also a hacklab scheduled in peru for the same time, we should contact them also 10:21 <@elisa> and the ppl from colombia? 10:21 <@toya> yes 10:21 <@ryan> yeah! 10:21 * kwadronaut agrees. And proposes italy (autistici/inventati....) belgium (active community in brussels/liege) and france (dijon?) 10:21 <@ryan> all sounds good 10:21 <@ryan> i can help with belgium, i have some contacts there :D:D:D:D:D:D:DD:D: 10:21 <@elisa> so how we will organize the things to talk with this ppl? 10:22 * Zapata blocks ryan's proposal 10:22 <@elisa> you aren't at the hackmeet, you can't block anything here :P 10:22 <@elisa> so 10:23 <@elisa> ryan with each groups you can talk? 10:23 <@toya> maybe we can write an inventation letter and send to ppl we know from this places 10:23 <@elisa> yep 10:23 * rhatto raises 10:23 <@elisa> so this join in the other topic 10:23 <@elisa> Techmeet propaganda 10:23 <@elisa> go on rhatto 10:23 <@rhatto> ok 10:23 <@rhatto> well, what i have to say is about both for cooperation and propaganda 10:23 <@rhatto> and i'll try to be short as ryan was on his explanation of distributed techmeet 10:24 <@rhatto> at least in brazil (and i think thats true for most countries) there are tech groups with political activities like ours 10:24 <@rhatto> in the last techmeet (sao paulo 2006) we launched a call for groups but i feel that not all of them realized the importance of the event - both politica lly and technically speaking 10:24 <@rhatto> so i propose and invite people help me to write a text explaining how its important to join our effort, showing some examples of how our network and inf ra-structure is weak and how we're each day facing more and more society control 10:25 * osu must run, i'll read you latter 10:25 <@rhatto> cause, despite the common points we currently we have (cms stuff), i think techmeet can also be an space to build strategies and promote cooperation 10:25 <@rhatto> then i propose to write such, lets say, "manifesto and invitation to join" and send it pvt to the groups we know but still arent being part of the discu ssions 10:25 * ryan agrees with rhatto 10:25 <@elisa> good :) 10:26 <@rhatto> i know here a some people (no just stric techies) interested in techmett stuff but they dont attended last year meetings cause they didnt knew that was also a space to think on strategies (like about privacy, security, distributed services, etc) 10:26 <@rhatto> thats it 10:26 <@rhatto> s/stric/strict 10:26 * ryan raises 10:26 <@rhatto> end 10:26 <@elisa> ryan 10:26 <@ryan> ah ok.. so.. 10:26 <@ryan> ok, there are 2 levels of contact with tech orgs i think: 10:27 <@ryan> 1) tech orgs that we already personally know or we know there is a hacklab happening and so we want to send a custom, unique letter to them 10:27 <@ryan> 2) tech orgs that we will just contact to invite their participation, a "generic" letter 10:27 <@ryan> so, i think we need a volunteer to a) write all these letters, b) get them translated as appropriate, 3) send them and follow-up on the contact 10:28 <@ryan> i think it will take more than one person 10:28 <@ryan> i can volunteer to help with this 10:28 * rhatto agrees and will try to help writing these letters 10:28 <@ryan> ok, me & rhatto.. :) 10:28 <@ryan> end 10:28 <@rhatto> :) 10:28 * toya could help with translations 10:29 * occam will kick Alster to help me with the german trans, he also has the best contacts to the german tech orgs 10:30 !che.indymedia.org *** occam invited Alster into the channel 10:30 * toya raises 10:30 <@elisa> go on 10:30 <@toya> where this work will be done? at the wiki or at the list? 10:30 <@toya> end 10:30 * ryan raises 10:30 < g_techmeet> raises are risos? 10:31 <@ryan> i think we can coordinate exclusively on the list, like all emails we send about it get cc'ed there, so people can read if they want, ignore if they want 10:31 <@ryan> and then once we decide something, or finish a letter, we put on the wiki 10:31 <@ryan> end 10:31 <@jgarrido> /win 3 10:31 <@toya> ok, and translations are added directly there in the wiki, once the letters are done 10:32 <@elisa> isso 10:32 <@rhatto> toya: just for the general one i guess 10:32 <@toya> ok and other one is done at the list :) 10:32 <@rhatto> the customs are better to be kept just in the discussion list 10:32 <@rhatto> :) 10:32 <@elisa> good 10:32 * ryan raise 10:33 <@elisa> so the letter will be write for ryan and rhatto, in the list 10:33 * ryan will add this task to the meeting notes on the wiki 10:33 <@elisa> toya and occan and alster will translated 10:33 <@toya> need a volunteer for spanish! 10:33 <@toya> :P 10:33 <@ryan> guido and mat! 10:33 <@elisa> yep 10:34 <@rhatto> really nice this new volunteering process 10:34 * ryan raise raise 10:34 <@elisa> hehehe 10:34 <@elisa> ryan 10:36 <@ryan> ok 10:36 <@ryan> i was just going to propose that we put a second list on sarava, an announce list to add people to and encourge people to sign up for 10:36 <@ryan> because there will be many people who dont want to organize or get a bunch of emails about logistics every day 10:36 <@ryan> can we add a techmeet announce list to sarava? 10:36 <@ryan> end 10:36 <@rhatto> yes, 10:37 <@rhatto> techmeet-announce at lists sarava, im creating 10:37 <@toya> :) 10:37 <@rhatto> ops, listas.sarava 10:38 <@guido> ryan: i can, sorry 10:38 <@ryan> so where are we on the agenda? i've got to get on to some other stuff eventually ;) 10:38 <@elisa> Techmeet propaganda 10:38 <@elisa> we will have a letter 10:39 <@elisa> and about the flyers ? 10:39 <@elisa> or just the letters are ok? 10:39 * rhatto informs thet https://listas.sarava.org/wws/info/techmeet-announce was created and people can volunteer for the admin/moderation 10:40 * ryan is documenting the meeting here -> http://www.techmeet.org/txt/Meeting_Notes 10:40 * ryan supports the idea of techmeet flyers!!! 10:40 * g_techmeet i help moderato~/admin but dont alone 10:40 * toya raises 10:40 <@elisa> who can helps? 10:40 <@elisa> tiya 10:40 <@foz> i can 10:40 <@elisa> tpya 10:40 <@toya> i did a flyer hehe 10:40 <@toya> but is terible 10:41 <@foz> it is not terrible 10:41 <@foz> =P 10:41 <@toya> hold on i am getting a link to the pdf 10:41 <@toya> it hsa a pt an a en 10:41 <@rhatto> im adding g and foz to this list moderation but i ask if you already are at the techmeet main list? 10:41 <@toya> version 10:41 * g_techmeet qual eh a lista principal? 10:42 * nah quer entrar na lista do techmeet 10:42 <@elisa> eu coloco 10:42 < g_techmeet> i too 10:42 <@rhatto> g_techmeet: https://listas.sarava.org/wws/info/techmeet 10:42 <@foz> nop I just send a email rhatto 10:42 <@rhatto> foz: are you on that list (https://listas.sarava.org/wws/info/techmeet)? 10:42 < g_techmeet> ok 10:42 <@foz> me coloca tambem elisa 10:42 <@foz> =) 10:42 <@elisa> so foz, nah and g will join the techmeet list 10:42 <@rhatto> ok, im subscribing nah, g_techmeet and foz to the main list and adding foz and g_techmeet to the moderation of the new list, ok? 10:43 <@elisa> foz and g will admin the announce list 10:43 < g_techmeet> ok 10:43 <@toya> this is the flyer: 10:43 <@toya> http://linefeed.org/~toya/techmeet-2007-en.pdf 10:43 <@toya> the english version 10:44 <@toya> but i think it doesnt have a good explanation like rhatto/ryan was talking about 10:44 <@toya> is very generic the info 10:44 <@toya> that is on this flyer 10:44 <@rhatto> perhaps we can use the template but change the info 10:45 <@foz> ok elisa 10:45 <@toya> it dont need to be used at all if ppl want to help making a new one :) i dont care 10:46 <@elisa> ok 10:46 <@foz> i think this one is good, we can try to put the new text on it, but if dont get good enough we do a new one, and I can help toya on that 10:46 <@elisa> so goos 10:46 <@elisa> d 10:47 * rhatto informs that subscribed nah, foz and g_techmeet and also add the last two in the techmee-announce admin 10:47 * toya would like to propose that we wait for the letters to be done, and then we can work on the flyers 10:47 <@toya> ;) 10:47 <@toya> foz: thanks! 10:47 <@elisa> so 10:48 <@elisa> the next topic is 10:48 <@elisa> Registering Techmeet Cities 10:48 <@elisa> but I think that is already done 10:48 * ryan raises 10:48 * rhatto setting techmee-announce archives for membership only, ok? 10:49 <@elisa> go on ryan 10:49 <@toya> rhatto: ok 10:49 <@elisa> ok rhatto 10:49 <@foz> ok rhatto 10:49 <@ryan> i think the summary of this topic is... we should try to establish a contact point for each city's little temporary organizing group 10:49 <@ryan> and document them on the wiki, that's it 10:49 <@ryan> i'm in the wiki right now doing stuff so i can initialize that page 10:49 <@ryan> end 10:50 * toya raises 10:50 <@elisa> toya 10:51 <@toya> i think that is the best for ppl to put the info 10:51 <@toya> maybe a page 10:51 <@toya> with a list of the cities 10:51 <@toya> and each city to be a link 10:51 <@toya> for it's own page 10:51 <@toya> and there ppl adds info about their local event 10:51 <@toya> i can explain, in another moment, here in the channel 10:51 <@toya> how ppl can add translation versions to the wiki 10:52 <@elisa> http://www.techmeet.org/txt/LocalTechmeetsList_2007 10:52 <@toya> like we are doing with portugues, en, and spanish till now 10:52 <@elisa> like this 10:52 <@toya> yah 10:52 <@toya> ;) 10:52 <@toya> done 10:52 <@elisa> finish with this topic? 10:53 <@elisa> the next one is # Building Conferencing Infrastructure 10:53 <@elisa> for this the first thing is to have a date 10:54 <@ryan> heheheheh good point :) 10:54 <@elisa> the hackmeet will be in 13,14/10 10:54 <@toya> in brasil there is a holiday on the 12 10:54 <@elisa> the same date that we will have the lady fest here in sp 10:54 <@toya> ;) 10:54 <@ryan> yeah.. i was thinking maybe techmeet should *start* on october 13 10:54 <@ryan> and go for 7-10 days after that 10:54 <@elisa> but ryan 10:55 <@elisa> with we get the same date, some ppl will have to choose btw the 2 meetings 10:55 * toya raises 10:55 <@elisa> toya 10:56 * ryan raises -- they wont have to 10:56 <@toya> in brasil is a holiday on friday the 12, normally the week before that is the one ppl are off... 10:56 <@toya> done 10:56 < nah> o/ 10:56 <@elisa> so 10:57 <@toya> ryan than nah? 10:57 <@elisa> everybody agrees with the week of 7 - 14 /10 10:57 <@toya> ryan depois a nah? 10:57 <@elisa> ryan 10:59 <@ryan> oops sorry 10:59 <@ryan> i'm fixing a database emergency on hugo 10:59 <@ryan> umm 10:59 <@ryan> well 10:59 <@ryan> if we do it then, 10:59 <@ryan> we will miss all the hackmeet overlap 10:59 <@ryan> right? 11:00 <@kwadronaut> hare there more points? 11:00 <@kwadronaut> (sorry scrolling) 11:00 <@toya> yeah, but i think is crucial for us to have a date decided now so we can start organizing stuff 11:00 <@ryan> well maybe not 11:01 <@ryan> what about october 10 - october 17 ? 11:01 <@ryan> then the hackmeets will be in the middle 11:01 <@toya> ok 11:01 < nah> (posso falar em portugues e alguem traduz?) 11:01 <@elisa> sim 11:01 <@toya> nah: pode :) 11:01 <@elisa> manda ai 11:01 <@ryan> or october 10 - october 20 11:01 <@elisa> nossa 11:01 <@ryan> 10 days of techmeet 11:02 <@ryan> because this gives people time to do the events in their local city when it is best for them 11:02 < nah> beleza, vai ter o encontro nacional de radios livres 12-14/10 em goiania, acho que uma pah de gente tech vai tar por aqui, rola de ser outra data? - costum o crer qeu encontros simultaneos nao dao muito certo... 11:03 * occam raises 11:03 <@toya> there will be a national free radio gathering here in goiania during octuber 12 to 14, i think a lot of tech ppl will be here for that, could it be in ano ther time? - i think gatherings happenning at the same time doesnt work out.... 11:04 <@toya> that was the translation from what nah said :) 11:04 <@elisa> go on occam 11:04 <@occam> we need at least one date where we will make the video conferences, maybe one for the start and one for the end?!?! something to show results and what th e topic was in the local meetings 11:05 <@occam> i also like the idea to give the local meetinsg a bit more room for the timeframe, we could even extend it to a month ... 11:05 <@occam> at least for the real talk and discussions on the local level 11:05 <@occam> but we need some fixed days for the global exchange 11:05 <@occam> end 11:05 * ryan raises 11:06 <@elisa> ryan 11:06 <@ryan> i agree with occam.. but i dont think we need to decide the fixed days *right now*. i think generally it would be one at the beginning, one at the end, an d a couple in-between 11:06 <@ryan> i'm also for having a month of techmeet, that'd be cool 11:06 <@ryan> maybe it could end on halloween 11:06 <@membrana> i subscribe in list too 11:07 <@ryan> oct 10 - oct 31 11:07 <@ryan> or something 11:07 <@ryan> in fact, i propose that so we can solidify this 11:07 <@ryan> anyone disagree on oct 1o - oct 31? 11:07 <@ryan> end 11:08 <@rhatto> seens interesting 11:08 <@ryan> :D 11:08 <@ryan> let's just vote? 1) oct 10-oct 31 or 2) oct 10 - oct 17th? 11:08 <@ryan> i vote for #1 11:08 <@foz> 1 11:09 <@occam> #1 11:09 <@toya> #1 11:09 * kwadronaut abstains from the vote. 11:10 * rhatto sees no need for voting, but this two options looks equally fine 11:10 < nah> #1 11:11 * Zapata abstains 11:11 <@elisa> so 10 to 31 11:11 <@toya> but i think we should have a virtual party on the 31 11:11 <@toya> and everyone should be on irc 11:11 <@elisa> hehehehe 11:11 <@toya> but as monsters! 11:12 <@elisa> mas eh quarta feita 11:12 <@elisa> feira 11:12 <@toya> elisa: isso eh soh um detalhe todo mundo aqui eh vagabounds hehee :P 11:12 <@ryan> my birthday is november 1! 11:12 <@occam> the sundays for the productive exchange? 14,21,28? 11:12 <@toya> occam: nice! 11:13 <@ryan> ok :D 11:14 <@elisa> so we finish with the - Building Conferencing Infrastructure 11:14 <@elisa> ? 11:14 <@occam> we need the video infrastructure 11:14 <@ryan> yes 11:15 <@toya> so lets see if is ok for everyone, we do it between the days of 10 to 31 of octuber, with exchanges on the sundays, 14, 21 and 28, and then closing it on the 31th with a nerd halloween party on irc :P 11:15 <@ryan> -> http://myhome.hanafos.com/~soonjp/vclinux.html :D 11:16 <@occam> looks very outdated! 11:17 <@ryan> yeah :( 11:17 <@rhatto> yes... which encrypted sollutions does we have? 11:17 <@ryan> rhatto: we could use an encrypted vpn and then we are free to use whichever video application works the best 11:18 <@rhatto> thats what i was wondering 11:18 <@ryan> well listen, for this, i think we just need some people to volunteer to do the research 11:18 <@ryan> about the most cross-platform, usable video conferencing that exists 11:18 <@ryan> even if we have to hack some code to make it work .. ;) 11:18 <@rhatto> i can help with ekiga research, something that looks quite stable and useful 11:19 <@rhatto> ekiga seens solid enough, already tested a few times but never constrained by a vpn 11:19 <@elisa> so rhatto and ryan will look for this? 11:19 * occam did stuff like that times ago, ekiga is the only open source solution we half way could use.. but best practical working solution is a mac with iChat AV, only way to have a real conference with 3 ppl.. 11:20 <@occam> more then 3 ppl in a good quality will be hard 11:20 <@ryan> i can help on this but it'd be good to have others 11:20 <@ryan> occam, you could help with this? 11:20 <@ryan> kwadronaut? 11:20 <@occam> yes, i will sit together with rhatto ;) 11:21 <@kwadronaut> no, i can't test anywhere. 11:21 <@occam> get some howtos together and find one way we will use all together 11:22 <@elisa> good occam and rhatto will look for video structure 11:22 <@elisa> more things for the Infrastructure? 11:23 <@rhatto> i'll ask help for some friends who works a lot with video on linux 11:23 <@elisa> ppl can find a place to do the meet and put this in the wiki 11:23 <@elisa> and I can send some pa<E7>ocas for the places 11:24 <@toya> can we create a page on the wiki to put the information from the research? 11:24 <@toya> i would like to help and maybe in there we can add tutorials for ppl how to set it up etc 11:25 <@occam> ack 11:25 <@toya> ack? 11:25 <@occam> confirmed 11:26 <@elisa> so we have another topic 11:26 <@elisa> # Preparation for Topics 11:26 <@membrana> i can help with research in video structure too 11:26 <@toya> but i would like to raise the possibility of doing this with audio only too 11:26 * ryan raises 11:26 * occam afk, read backlog later 11:26 <@toya> in case ppl dont have web cameras etc 11:26 * Zapata is gonna make dinner 11:27 <@elisa> good toya 11:27 <@elisa> go on ryan 11:27 <@ryan> ok so the 'Preparation for Topics' thing is just... that we should get ready the various topics we want techmeet to address 11:28 <@ryan> which would be like indymedia cms, collaboration amongst tech collectives, and if there are others 11:28 <@ryan> but i would propose that we actually have that discussion on the list 11:28 <@elisa> good 11:28 <@ryan> so more people could participate and we could move through this meeting :) 11:28 <@elisa> isso 11:28 <@ryan> i could send an intro e-mail on this topic to the list, to get discussion going 11:28 <@elisa> legal 11:28 <@ryan> in english & spanish and portugues 11:29 <@elisa> so the last topic is - Next steps 11:29 <@toya> i guess we already have tons of them :P 11:29 <@ryan> heheheh 11:30 <@ryan> well, one thing is when do we want to have the next irc meeting 11:30 <@ryan> we want to have a catch-up mtg on thursday? 11:30 <@toya> sim 11:30 <@elisa> for the second question, I don't think so 11:30 <@ryan> which question? 11:31 <@elisa> for the first one, we can have another irc meet in 15 days 11:32 <@ryan> ok 11:32 <@kwadronaut> that would be good i think. 11:32 <@membrana> i need go out, i will see logs, bye 11:32 <@ryan> so around september 1? 11:32 -!- membrana [membrana@2a3532.864b57.adfca4.1a2d89] has left #techmeet [Saindo] 11:33 <@elisa> yep 11:34 <@elisa> during the week at this time is good for everybody, no? 11:35 <@rhatto> looks the best time for the ocidental world, although for us is in the middle of the day 11:35 <@toya> sep 1 is saturday 11:35 <@elisa> is not so good 11:36 <@elisa> maybe 3/09 11:36 <@ryan> thats ok with me 11:37 -!- fernao [fernao@c06fe3.295f93.4a2cd6.3a1f12] has joined #techmeet 11:37 <@toya> monday? 11:37 <@ryan> (although the 4th is better, could we do that)? 11:37 < fernao> hi there 11:37 <@ryan> hey fernao! can you give an intro? 11:37 <@elisa> yep 4th is better for me too 11:37 <@toya> 4th is wednesday.... 11:38 <@elisa> at the same time 11:38 <@toya> isnt better for ppl who the time is the midle of the day to be in the weekend? 11:38 <@kwadronaut> toya: 4th is tuesday 11:38 <@toya> ahhh 11:38 <@elisa> 1:30 pm sp, 9:30 a.m. sf, 6:30 p.m. amsterdam 11:38 <@elisa> tava olhando no mes errado neh 11:39 <@toya> nao, mas nao eh melhor no final de semana 11:39 <@toya> ? 11:39 <@ryan> cool 11:39 <@toya> pq vai ser no meio da semana no meio do dia 11:39 <@toya> isso pro brasil pode ser ruim ou nao? 11:39 <@elisa> n<E3>o 11:39 <@elisa> olha o que o rhatto falou 11:39 <@elisa> eh melhor pra gente 11:39 <@elisa> no fim de semana eh osso 11:39 <@toya> ok 11:40 <@toya> to viajando 11:40 < fernao> i 11:40 <@elisa> durante a semana estamos no computador o dia todo 11:40 <@toya> ;) 11:40 <@rhatto> for a short meeting (max 1:30 hours), its fine to me during the week 11:40 <@toya> alright 11:40 <@rhatto> or maximum of 1:00 hour 11:40 <@elisa> for me too 11:40 * fernao -> from imc brasil and other local tech coletives 11:40 <@toya> forget bout what i was saying :/ i was confusing everything 11:40 <@rhatto> so: fast introductions, etc 11:41 <@elisa> I think that in the next one, we can jump the introductions to be more fast 11:41 <@elisa> so I have to go 11:41 <@rhatto> me too 11:41 <@elisa> we finish 11:41 <@toya> so it will be september 4th at 1:30pm sp, 9:30 am sf, 6:30pm nl 11:41 <@elisa> ok 11:39 <@toya> ? 11:39 <@ryan> cool 11:39 <@toya> pq vai ser no meio da semana no meio do dia 11:39 <@toya> isso pro brasil pode ser ruim ou nao? 11:39 <@elisa> n<E3>o 11:39 <@elisa> olha o que o rhatto falou 11:39 <@elisa> eh melhor pra gente 11:39 <@elisa> no fim de semana eh osso 11:39 <@toya> ok 11:40 <@toya> to viajando 11:40 < fernao> i 11:40 <@elisa> durante a semana estamos no computador o dia todo 11:40 <@toya> ;) 11:40 <@rhatto> for a short meeting (max 1:30 hours), its fine to me during the week 11:40 <@toya> alright 11:40 <@rhatto> or maximum of 1:00 hour 11:40 <@elisa> for me too 11:40 * fernao -> from imc brasil and other local tech coletives 11:40 <@toya> forget bout what i was saying :/ i was confusing everything 11:40 <@rhatto> so: fast introductions, etc 11:41 <@elisa> I think that in the next one, we can jump the introductions to be more fast 11:41 <@elisa> so I have to go 11:41 <@rhatto> me too 11:41 <@elisa> we finish 11:41 <@toya> so it will be september 4th at 1:30pm sp, 9:30 am sf, 6:30pm nl 11:41 <@elisa> ok 11:42 <@toya> finito 11:43 <@ryan> cool 11:43 <@elisa> see you all in the next meet 11:44 <@ryan> hey, i'll send a summary of this mtg to the list and on the wiki 11:44 <@ryan> oh shit 11:44 <@ryan> that's another thing to discuss 11:44 <@ryan> i can just send an email ;) 11:44 <@elisa> hehehe 11:44 <@elisa> ok 11:44 <@ryan> (about the wiki, we should finish moving stuff off sarava to techmeet, we have gotten complaints because there are 2 of them) 12:16 -!- Irssi: #techmeet: Total of 17 nicks [13 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 4 normal] Views |