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12:27 < elisa> ei
12:27 < elisa> we will have a meeting today?
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12:34 < rhatto> no idea, but i think we could discuss some stuff and
send a report to the list with discussions/proposals
12:36 < elisa> good
12:39 < ianni> hello
12:40 < elisa> opa
12:41 < ianni> :)
12:52 < ianni> < be right back
13:01 < toya> oi
13:02 < toya> eu nao acho que as outras pessoa vao lembrar desta
reuniao, eu mesma jah tinha esquecido
13:03 < toya> de qualquer modo, o guido falou que a semana proposta pelo
occam eh uma semana normal lah para eles
13:03 < rhatto> na real o ultimo chamado havia sinalizado para que a
reuniao ocorresse no dia 10 (ontem)
13:03 < toya> o que pode atrapalhar para as pessoas de lah poderem
participar....ele falou que a semana depois da que o occam propos, eh
que seria melhor, porque eh feriado lah.....mas ai essa semana eh a
mesma semana do encontro do pessoal na europa
13:04 < toya> .......
13:04 < toya> do jeito que as coisas estao, super dispersas
13:05 < toya> para a gente conseguir ter uma reuniao com todo mundo -
pelo menos com quem esta mais ativo e o guido do chile etc
13:05 < toya> vai ter que ficar mais em cima do que apenas marcar pela
lista...
13:05 < toya> :/
13:05 < rhatto> ou entao fazer, neste ano, um techmeet distribuido
13:05 < toya> nao acho que o occam ta ligado nessa reuniao, nem o guido
13:05 < toya> eu nao acho
13:06 < toya> pq o techmeet nao precisa de muita organizacao, a gente
precisa definir uma data logo isso sim
13:06 < toya> fazer distribuido vai ser o mesmo corre do que fazer cara
a cara
13:06 < toya> vamos ter que coordenar cada um q vai ta rolando etc
13:06 < toya> da na mesma
13:08 < rhatto> concordo em parte
13:09 < rhatto> no ano passado foi muito mais tranquilo organizar as
coisas do que no de 2006
13:09 < rhatto> mas nao estou sugerindo nada, apenas listei outra
alternativa
13:09 < toya> sim
13:10 < toya> o que aconteceu esse ano
13:11 < toya> eh que os lugares que ofereceram para organizar o techmeet
13:11 < toya> estao tendo uma participacao minima na organizacao
13:13 < toya> para 2006, o pessoal do brasil teve que fazer um puta
corre
13:13 < toya> em 2007 como foi distribuido cada lugar tinha uma pessoa
participando nos corre da organizacao
13:13 < toya> mas esse ano, os lugares quase nao participam das
reunioes...
13:18 < toya> nao sei mais o que dizer...
13:19 < rhatto> eh, tou nessas tambem
13:19 < toya> por exemplo, quem estava organizando em 2006, ficava
chamando todo mundo para as reunioes, no chat
13:19 < toya> ficava em cima o tempo todo
13:19 < toya> coordenando com todo mundo
13:19 < toya> esse ano tem gente tentando fazer isso mas ta dificil
13:20 < toya> sem a participacao de quem esta querendo 'hospedar' o
encontro
13:20 < toya> a gente concordou com uma data que no final nao era boa
para quem quer hospedar o encontro
13:20 < toya> mas isso soh chegou na lista pq tivemos q pedir para
falarem na lista
13:21 < toya> antes a gente estava organizando pensando que as pessoas
da argentina iriam tacar o barco....depois de meses descobrimos que
galera nem sequer estava cogitando essa ideia
13:21 < toya> esta tendo um puta desencontro de informacao..por falta de
participacao mesmo
13:21 < rhatto> talvez o que esteja ocorrendo seja que quem estah
teoricamente querendo hospedar o encontro nao tenha chamado para si a
tarefa de organizacao e esteja achando que a iniciativa de organizacao
eh coletiva; nao vejo problema de ser a galera que hospeda o encontro ou
todo o techmeet de tocar a tarefa organizativa, desde que as coisas
andem
13:22 < rhatto> (e vice-versa, a gente aqui achando que a galera que
iria hospedar que deveria estar organizando)
13:22 < toya> sim eu concordo, e acho que esta sendo coletiva, mas com
pouquissima participacao de quem esta hospedando.....o que dificulta
muito o trampo coletivo
13:24 < toya> talvez mudar a reuniao para aproxima semana, fazer um
esforco de ficar no chat relembrando todo mundo da reuniao, mandar mais
de um email para a lista, de preferencia um dia antes tambem etc
13:24 < toya> para pelo menos ter uma reuniao com a participacao de todo
mundo para decidir o que fazer
13:24 < toya> se seguimos do jeito que estamos ou se partimos para uma
alternativa como vc falou
13:25 < rhatto> ce tem sentido que a galera tem vontade de se encontrar?
caso afirmativo, qual seria o nivel de desejo disso?
13:25 < rhatto> (pergunto porque nao faco ideia, nao tenho conversado
cotidianamente com o pessoal)
13:25 < ianni> oi
13:25 < toya> bem eu sei que pelo menos eu, ryan, occam e acho que o
zapata tambem estao com vontade
13:26 < ryan> oiiii hello
13:26 < toya> mas do resto eu nao sei...nao sei do mat, nao sei se o
guido iria para outro lugar que nao fosse o chile...
13:27 < Zapata> oi
13:27 < toya> na real eu sei que seria muito mais facil fazer isso no
brasil mesmo... mas o foda eh q o povo ofereceu o lugar..e eh bom o
rodizio....mas eh foda organizar qualquer coisa com a pouca participacao
de quem esta hospedando
13:28 < ianni> eu andei conversando com um pessoal, especialmente uma
galera de gyn,mais ou menos uma mesma galera que tava no encontro tech
brasil
13:28 < ianni> e a maioria das pessoas se interessou em ter outro
encontro
13:28 < ianni> eh mais uma galera voltada ao cmi
13:29 < ianni> de qq maneira
13:29 < yossarian> oi
13:29 < toya> hi, we are talking about how hard is being to organize
this year techmeet... one of the reasons is the lack of participation on
the organizing by the ppl who offered to host it...first with argentina,
and now with chile
13:29 < ryan> quantos pessoas o grupo de chile tem para organizar um
techmet?
13:29 < ryan> *techmeet
13:29 < ryan> soh guido? :)
13:29 < ianni> (ops) de qq maneira seria legal se tentassemos algo no
brasil
13:30 < toya> ryan: o guido que esta na lista e que participa das
reunioes, mas acho que no chile tem mais gente, as pessoas do hacklab de
lah
13:31 < ryan> pode ser, nao sabemos
13:33 < toya> we dont know what to do
13:33 < ianni> how many proposals are there?
13:33 < toya> ?
13:33 < ianni> 1. chile
13:33 < toya> thats it
13:33 < toya> i mean
13:34 < toya> we tried to pick other place besides brasil, cuz already
did it
13:34 < toya> colombia ppl just never showed up
13:34 < rhatto> well, we can write down options, make proposals and set
up deadlines to make decisions :)
13:34 < toya> then we went with argentina
13:34 < toya> cuz there were interest from there, but then latter we
learned they had no idea about it and the other ppl just disapiered
13:34 < toya> then came chile
13:34 < ryan> rhatto++
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13:35 < ianni> right
13:35 < toya> but chile is only guido following things
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13:35 < toya> and he is not that around...
13:35 < rhatto> wow crash
13:36 < toya> rhatto: what options should we write?
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13:36 < toya> eita
13:36 < toya> i mean, how can we think of options without ppl being
around
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13:36 < ryan> we just need to do a better job of outreach
13:36 < ryan> that's something this group can decide to do
13:36 < toya> outreach for what
13:37 < ryan> "ppl being around"
13:37 < toya> yeah, agree....but we *do* need to close *place* and
*date*
13:37 < ryan> entendeu
13:39 < toya> maybe our goal from this meeting would be to try to
organize another meetin with more ppl participating on it? doing the
outreach - send remind emails...reminding ppl on the chat and stuff?
13:39 < toya> but who from this meeting could be doing that?
13:40 < toya> cuz to say this to the empty space and leave...it will
just lead to the same thing...we will have another meeting without that
many ppl participating, not even the host ppl
13:44 < rhatto> personally, i dont want to remind people things they
should remind by theirselves if they wish to; but thats my personal
opinion; so im not inclined to help so much in these reminding tasks
13:44 < rhatto> anyway im not against someone doing these tasks
13:44 < ryan> yeah, i kind of agree with this
13:45 < ryan> what i would propose is this: right now, today, we set a
final meeting to decide the place for techmeet 2008
13:45 < ryan> anyone interested in hosting must be at the meeting and be
prepared to show: 1) reasons why their location is good and 2) show that
they have the resources to make it happen
13:45 < ryan> and then we can decide - at that meeting - which option to
go with
13:46 < toya> i would add a third thign
13:46 < toya> 3) engagiment and participation of the host ppl on the
list, and on the meetings....they should be there and replying to the
things we are proposing etc...
13:48 < toya> otherwise it is easy to come out and say, i want to host,
i have this and that...and then just disapier for months..and have to
have us calling htem to reply emails from the list and stuff like that
13:48 < ryan> alright so, in this meeting, can we decide to set this
meeting for next week? i would propose May 17 (next saturday), same time
as this meeting
13:48 < ryan> and today we send out this mtg announcement to all the
major tech lists
13:49 < rhatto> its a nice idea
13:49 < ryan> (and i propose that the imc-cms mtg happen right after
this meeting)
13:49 < ryan> on saturday
13:50 < ryan> great, anyone opposed to this idea?
13:50 < rhatto> hum
13:50 < rhatto> lets see...
13:50 < rhatto> sat 17th theres a local meeting here with
homeless/downtown groups
13:50 < rhatto> what about next sunday?
13:50 < ryan> sure, that sok
13:51 < elisa> sunday is better for me
13:51 < elisa> the same time?
13:51 < elisa> 15h brazil
13:51 < ryan> yeah
13:51 < ryan> right after this mtg today, i can write the invitation in
english
13:51 < ryan> if someone can help me translate to portugues
13:51 < elisa> ok
13:52 < elisa> just send for us
13:52 < ryan> lets do it online, then i will send it out right away
13:53 < ryan> ok? but i am dying for coffee and i think my machine is
broken. can we take a break, meet back here in 10 minutes and do this?
13:53 < rhatto> yes, right
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13:58 < ianni> ok, agreed.
13:58 < ryan> wait, this meeting was 15h brazil, was it?
13:58 < ryan> it is 11AM here now
13:58 < ianni> no
13:58 < ianni> its 14h now
14:01 < rhatto> this meeting was planned initially to be made yesterday
15:00 brazil time, but just started today 13:00 here hehe
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14:04 < guido> hi
14:04 < rhatto> :)
14:05 < ianni> hello
14:07 < nah> ola :)
14:08 < ryan> ok, see what you think of this ->
14:08 < ryan> http://linefeed.org/~ryan/techmeet-invite.txt
14:09 < ianni> and maybe we could enjoy the presence of guido and find
out about things today already
14:09 < ianni> dont you think?
14:10 < rhatto> ryan, seens fine, but do you think this first meeting
can be done within just one hour?
14:10 < ryan> i guess, i still think we would need next week's meeting
to be ore organized
14:10 < ryan> rhatto: yes, because i think it is just to see what
different people have done and make plans for getting organized and next
steps
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14:11 < ryan> rhatto: yes, because i think it is just to see what
different people have done and make plans for getting organized and next
steps
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14:11 < ryan> :)
14:11 < ianni> heheheheh
14:11 < ryan> !
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14:11 < ryan> rhatto: yes, because i think it is just to see what
different people have done and make plans for getting organized and next
steps
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14:11 < ryan> mother fucker!!!!
14:12 < ianni> but anyway, guido we were wondering how are things for
the preparation of the hosting of tech meet there in chile this year..
14:12 < ianni> ryan: lol
14:12 < ianni> are you having dificulti]es?
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14:13 < ryan> hi rhatto :)
14:13 < rhatto> my client is crashing
14:13 < ryan> i said to you ->
14:13 < ryan> rhatto: yes, because i think it is just to see what
different people have done and make plans for getting organized and next
steps
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14:13 < ryan> !!@#$!W@#$@#$@$
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14:14 < toya> most of all we need to have the host ppl participating on
the list and on themeetings...we cant have to trace them and be calling
them all the time...what rhatto said implies to everyone, to the host
ppl and to everyone who want to be involved
14:14 < rhatto> hehehee
14:14 < rhatto> dont know for how long i'll be here
14:14 < guido> we have a place for the meetings, id0 talked to the kids
of from one of the hacklabs (hackreta.org) with internet and stuff. Also
there is a squat that can host people to sleep but not internet in the
house i think... maybe you can connect there are open wireless networks
but i dont know
14:16 < ryan> rhatto: yes, because i think it is just to see what
different people have done and make plans for getting organized and next
steps
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14:16 < ryan> oh my god
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14:17 < ryan> ok well
14:17 < ryan> guido: can you come up with more details between now and
the meeting next week?
14:17 < ryan> like, how many people can you get to commit to organizing
the event locally?
14:18 < ryan> also getting firm dates for it?
14:18 < ryan> and then come to this meeting were having next week and
report on it?
14:19 < toya> also, we need to know better about the dates...the ones
occam proposed was good for most ppl, but arent good for chile ppl cuz
is a normal week for them..but the week after the one occam proposed,
seems to be better right? because it will be a holiday in chile, right?
but them they are the same dates as the ones nadir ppl are proposing, so
the question is if that would fuck something up for ppl who want to go
to both, nadir gathering and techmeet
14:20 < guido> i have asked to people from en todas partes, most of them
are interested. I havn't speak to people from the other tech
collective/project, but right now i can send an email and see if they
are into this...
14:20 < ryan> guido: also can you translate the mtg invitation into
spanish?
14:21 < ryan> http://linefeed.org/~ryan/techmeet-invite.txt
14:21 < ryan> we want to send it out right after we're done here
14:21 < nah> (alguem pode fazer uma pequena traducao? nao to conseguindo
acompanhar)
14:21 < guido> also i'll send an email to the hackmeeting mailing list
14:21 < elisa> hey
14:21 < guido> ryan: yes i can
14:21 < elisa> can someone send the log for the list
14:21 < elisa> I have to go
14:21 < elisa> imc sp meeting
14:22 < ryan> guido: ok, let me know when you have, toya is doing the
portuguese so it's almost done
14:22 * ryan doesnt have logs
14:22 < elisa> eita
14:22 < elisa> nem eu
14:22 < elisa> Zapata
14:22 < elisa> ?
14:22 < elisa> do you save logs?
14:23 < nah> i can do it
14:23 < nah> :P
14:23 < elisa> valeu
14:23 < nah> ql eh a lista?
14:23 < elisa> techmeet@listas.sarava.org
14:23 < elisa> fui
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14:26 < nah> ciao :)
14:27 < Zapata> I have logs if required...
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14:31 < ryan> while we're waiting for the translations....
14:31 < ryan> you know, el libertario never answers my emails
14:32 < ryan> i email and i email but they never write back
14:32 < ryan> after i send out this invite i gotta call my mom
14:32 < ryan> do they have mothers day in europe, zapata?
14:38 < toya> http://linefeed.org/~toya/techmeet/convite-techmeet.txt
14:38 < toya> !
14:39 < ryan> great!!!
14:39 < ryan> guido: how's the spanish version coming? :D
14:40 < guido> http://www.sindominio.net/~guido/techmeet.txt
14:40 < toya> perfect
14:42 < ryan> eggggscellent
14:50 < Zapata> whenever my mother bugs me about mother's day I tell her
hitler invented it
14:50 < toya> he did?
14:50 < Zapata> I don't know
14:50 < toya> hehehe
14:50 < Zapata> but she tops bugging me about it
14:50 < toya> aiaiai
14:51 < Zapata> stops
14:51 < toya> coitadinha
14:51 < Zapata> "In Nederland staat Moederdag bij sommigen bekend als
een initiatief van Adolf Hitler. Dat is onjuist. Wel is het zo dat het
nationaalsocialisme de Moederdag in verband probeerde te brengen met de
voortplanting van een zuiver ras."
14:51 < Zapata> apparently it isn't true
14:51 < Zapata> well
14:51 < Zapata> who cares
14:52 < toya> the mama cares!
14:55 < toya> In Austria, Germany, and Switzerland Muttertag is observed
on the second Sunday in May, just as in the U.S., Australia, Brazil,
Italy, Japan, and many other countries. During the First World War,
Switzerland was one the first European countries to introduce Mother's
Day (in 1917). Germany's first Muttertag observance took place in 1922,
Austria's in 1926 (or 1924, depending on the source). Muttertag was
first declared an official German holiday in 193
14:55 < Zapata> 193....
14:55 < Zapata> ?
14:55 < Zapata> it was broken off
14:55 < Zapata> 1933!!!
14:55 < Zapata> 1 year after hitler came to power
14:55 < Zapata> see!!!!!
14:55 < toya> hehehehehehe
14:56 < Zapata> "Muttertag was first declared an official German holiday
in 1933 (the second Sunday in May) and took on a special significance as
part of the Nazi motherhood cult under the Hitler regime. There was even
a medal�..das Mutterkreuz�..in bronze, silver, and gold (eight or more
Kinder!), awarded to mothers who produced children for the Vaterland.
(The medal had the popular nickname of "Karnickelorden," the "Order of
the Rabbit.")"
14:57 < toya>
http://german.about.com/od/holidaysfolkcustoms/a/muttertag.htm
14:57 < Zapata> I'm gonna get my mother a Mutterkreuz then!
14:57 < Zapata> she'll love it
15:07 < ryan> ok, i sent it out a bunch of different places
15:08 < ryan> please feel free to fwd where appropriate
