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18:24 < toya> so people who doesnt have credit on the phone to make calls
18:24 < gloriaj1> good point
18:24 < Libby> toya, that came up this afternoon as well
18:24 < toya> but can reacive phone calls, they can call collect and be on menu and
use those applications
18:25 < luisfelipe> toya, we thought about trying to develop something based only on
the pattern of calls
18:25 < luisfelipe> but the bandwidth would be ridiculously slow
18:25 < Zapata> SP?
18:25 < toya> luisfelipe: cuz i am working on a tool that will work like that
18:25 < toya> sao paulo time!
18:26 < elisa> ok
18:26 < luisfelipe> we also thought about trying to do something with blasterisk
18:26 < fierman> we will switch to saopaulo then here
18:26 < luisfelipe> which would be more efficient, and ppl could chip in to pay the
bills
18:26 < luisfelipe> we just restarted our streaming
18:26 < luisfelipe> are you listening ?
18:26 < Libby> luisfelipe, url again please?
18:26 < jaromil> oh shit
18:26 < jaromil> i read only now
18:27 < jaromil> sorry my ssh hanged and die
18:27 < occam> i am in
18:27 < fierman> what is the url ??
18:27 < toya> i am
18:27 < jaromil> godverdomme
18:27 < luisfelipe> jaromil, please answer here on irc plz
18:27 < elisa> :)
18:27 < toya> http://orelha.radiolivre:8000/techmeet-sp
18:27 < luisfelipe> cuz we've already closed nl's streaming
18:27 < luisfelipe> toya, ta rolando o som ?
18:27 < fierman> cant connect
18:27 < toya> luisfelipe: sim
18:27 < luisfelipe> cool
18:27 < luisfelipe> fierman, still not able to connect ?
18:27 < toya> is this the link:
18:27 < toya> http://orelha.radiolivre:8000/techmeet-sp
18:28 < toya> ??
18:28 < fierman> nope
18:28 < Libby> toya, thx
18:28 < luisfelipe> yes
18:28 < fierman> this link does not work here
18:28 < luisfelipe> :(
18:28 < toya> put
18:28 < Libby> nop, doens't work
18:28 < groente> techmeet-sp seems down
18:28 < toya> .m3u
18:28 < toya> in the end
18:28 < jaromil> luisfelipe: someone more active in aut/inv could answer with more
details, but i can tell the R* plan started working already since
more than a year
18:28 < luisfelipe> http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeetsf.m3u
18:28 < luisfelipe> opz
18:28 < luisfelipe> http://orelha.radiolivre.org:8000/techmeet-sp.ogg.m3u
18:28 < groente> yay
18:28 < fierman> ok, that works
18:28 < groente> \o/
18:28 < fierman> thnx
18:28 < Zapata> rhatto!
18:29 < Libby> yah, working
18:29 < fierman> we are listening to sao paulo
18:29 < kwadronaut> please no portuguese
18:29 < elisa> ok
18:29 < elisa> sorry
18:29 < fierman> yay
18:29 < fierman> good sound
18:29 < Libby> yeah, sounds great
18:29 < kwadronaut> thanks for sound fierman it's great
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18:31 -!- Irssi: #techmeet: Total of 35 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 34 normal]18:31 < gloriaj1> your fear is legitimate
18:31 < jaromil> cheers to sao paulo
18:31 < gloriaj1> for centralized data
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18:31 < luisfelipe> any questions or stuff ?
18:31 < toya> techmeetSP - you proposing to get the wiki down?
18:32 < jaromil> resistance will not be mapped, as the revolution will not be
televised ;^)
18:32 < toya> i am trying to understand
18:32 < Libby> or more not using the wiki for really sensitive stuff?
18:32 < luisfelipe> Libby, not only the wiki, is it necessary to have this kind of
information written down in any way ?
18:32 < Libby> good point luisfelipe
18:33 < luisfelipe> toya, understood ?
18:33 < toya> i understand better now
18:33 < toya> yeah
18:33 < jaromil> i guess this is a call for more "organical" networking
18:33 < elisa> yep
18:33 < toya> not use the wiki for more things that we are using now, or you suggest
18:33 < toya> we should do something diferent in there?
18:33 < gloriaj1> the problem is, though, that...how do you tell people about the
resources you have available?
18:33 < jaromil> as mapping i think more specifically of gpg signing and web of
trust and semantic foaf stuff
18:33 < jaromil> what about that?
18:33 < gloriaj1> if you have no central place to do so?
18:34 < Libby> like, for really improtant stuff thats best kept quiet for a while
its better to get on your bike or a bus or whatever and go tell
people in person
18:34 < gloriaj1> maybe that central place changes, goes away?
18:34 < luisfelipe> gloriaj1, why would you need to tell people about our resources ?18:34 < gloriaj1> but at leats it is there.
18:34 < fierman> which depends on localisation i think
18:34 < acracia> i agree with the fact that are maps useful for the police, but just
some sort of maps. there is other information that keeps powerful
even when is not on hand of the police
18:34 < jaromil> gloriaj1: mesh algos work as discovering local neighbours in a
fuzzy way
18:34 < toya> i have a question, i agree with the proposal, i just want to make sure
if there is something in the wiki right now that people thinks it
could be giving ppl this map
18:34 < gloriaj1> I mean tell each other about our internal resources.
18:34 < gloriaj1> so we all don't work on duplicate things..
18:34 < gloriaj1> and so we can help each other easier
18:35 < gloriaj1> lets say: I offer data manipulation services to anyone in
indymedia, in any country. how do I let them know that I am able
to help them?
18:36 < Libby> information is still information, no matter the form in which you
poor it
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18:36 < gloriaj1> this makes sense.
18:36 < gloriaj1> I hear you.
18:36 < Libby> and we can get in touch with each other in one secure way or another
if needed, there is always a way, there are enough personal contacts
18:37 < jaromil> i would like to be able to ask any friend, different each time, to
backup my stuff
18:37 < gloriaj1> ah...true
18:37 < jaromil> :)
18:37 < gloriaj1> yes, agreed.
18:37 < gloriaj1> that makes sense, thanks
18:37 < occam> ACK
18:37 < jaromil> like: here friend, keep it well until next time :)
18:37 < Libby> jaromil, exactly
18:38 < Libby> exactly, people aren't perfect
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18:38 < Libby> like saving decrypted mails on pc's
18:38 < Libby> or worse, printing them out and leave them lying around
18:38 < toya> i think is exactly what jaromil said, it's to be more organic way of
doing it...like now everyone who are here knows gloria is offereing
data manipulation....so if we hear someone who needs it we can just
put the person in contact with her
18:39 < acracia> agreed
18:39 < acracia> :)
18:39 < toya> is this informal way
18:39 < acracia> but that is not scalable
18:39 < Libby> networking is a verb :-)
18:39 < jaromil> informal ~= organical ~= not mapped (<- notefficiently scalable)
18:40 < toya> ;)
18:41 < gloriaj1> "acracia: but that is not scalable" It is scalable, but not in a
hierarchy (you don't want that anyway), but in a "chain" if that
makes sense.
18:41 < occam> it scales if more ppl get together as a group, and you addressbook
might be able to scale too ;) just keep on doing networking :)
18:41 < Libby> pretty much personal too, you get along with someone or you don't,
18:41 < gloriaj1> you have that anywahere, Libby.
18:41 < Libby> gloriaj1, yes, excactly
18:42 < luisfelipe> guys, can we move on ?
18:42 < acracia> well, mailing lists are a thing i try to avoid, as usually in
imc-madiaq people ends up sending personal information and phone
numbers
18:42 < acracia> specially new people
18:42 < acracia> :(
18:42 < jaromil> yep let's move on
18:43 < toya> ok
18:43 < Libby> yes, good plan
18:43 < occam> next topic!
18:44 < luisfelipe> regarding this maildrop thing, did you guys understand it ?
18:45 < toya> more or less
18:45 < jaromil> http://codecoop.org/projects/schleuder/
18:46 < jaromil> http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/mailman-ssls/
18:46 < toya> A FIRMA CAI MAS NAO QUEBRA!
18:46 < jaromil> prost :)
18:46 < elisa_> hehhehe
18:46 < Libby> cheers guys :-)
18:46 < drebs> codecop.org/firma
18:46 < drebs> codecoop.org/firma
18:46 < jaromil> ok then have a dm-crypt partition
18:47 < toya> http://codecoop.org/projects/firma
18:47 < luisfelipe> cool ?
18:47 < jaromil> ok
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18:48 < occam> SHITTYTOSCHI!
18:48 < jaromil> the problem is tricky to solve server side, that's why there i just
hope ppl keep mails in their pocket
18:48 < fierman> so who will be next ?
18:48 < jaromil> and encrypt their own usb key storage or harddisk where they keep
the mail
18:48 < jaromil> move on
18:48 < fierman> ok
18:48 < fierman> :)
18:49 < Libby> jaromil, true enough
18:49 < fierman> yes sure
18:49 < fierman> sorry
18:49 < fierman> we are still listening!\
18:49 < toya> luisfelipre
18:49 < toya> i am interruptig you
18:49 < toya> its rya
18:50 < toya> ryan
18:50 < jaromil> "imc sites" sounded h4x0r
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18:50 < toya> luisfelipe: i have an announcemento to make
18:50 < luisfelipe> go
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18:50 < toya> luisfelipe: it will only take 5
18:50 < toya> sf stream
18:50 < fierman> shall we move to sf stream ?
18:50 < fierman> one moment, when i switch, is that ok ?
18:51 < fierman> ok
18:51 < fierman> we are istening to SF now
18:51 < kwadronaut> +l
18:51 < fierman> yes?
18:51 < fierman> cant hear you ryan
18:51 < toya> :( i just wanted to say hi and make a joke
18:51 < kwadronaut> latency?
18:51 < toya> :( i gotta go now
18:52 < fierman> back to SP
18:52 < toya> ok
18:52 < toya> i am listeninng
18:52 < toya> we are listenning!
18:52 < Libby> already?
18:52 < fierman> we are listening to SP now
18:52 < Libby> damn i missed it
18:54 < Libby> hri there? this sounds like its right up his alley
18:54 < fierman> hri not here
18:55 < Libby> too bad :-(
18:57 < acracia> it was great
18:57 < acracia> :)
18:57 < luisfelipe> :)
18:57 < occam> !!!!!!!!11111
18:57 < toya> gfffufff
18:57 < toya> is off
18:57 < toya> went down
18:57 < Libby> cool
18:57 < fierman> ok
18:57 < fierman> shall we ?
18:57 < Libby> that went really, really wel
18:58 < luisfelipe> who's next ?
18:58 < toya> i cant hear sp
18:58 < toya> i couldnt
18:58 < toya> hear the end
18:58 < luisfelipe> toya, we stopped transmitting
18:58 < luisfelipe> :(
18:58 < toya> but the delay
18:58 < toya> cutted you off
18:58 < luisfelipe> anyone recorded ?
18:58 < toya> it wasnt over here
18:59 < toya> when you turned off over there
18:59 < toya> ok
18:59 < toya> well
18:59 < toya> this is it
18:59 < toya> ?
18:59 < fierman> nl is still here, blowing of some steam
18:59 < fierman> but we dont have anything to say
18:59 < toya> ok
18:59 < toya> well
18:59 < toya> folks
19:00 < toya> we need to go do some stuff
19:00 < toya> here
19:00 < fierman> i could set up some music :)
19:00 < toya> so i am off :)) it was a nice conversation
19:00 < Libby> i heard someone say something about getting kachel and cleaning up
and the order in which to do that :-)
19:00 < Libby> was really nice to hear you toya :-)
19:01 < fierman> thank you very much all!
19:01 < fierman> was a nice session
19:01 < toya> :)))
19:01 < toya> yeah!!!
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19:01 < toya> thanks a lot and c-ya thursday for cms
19:01 < toya> discussion
19:01 < fierman> we should do this again sometime, with a bit more preparing content
& organisationwise
19:01 < toya> and next sunday to close up!
19:01 < fierman> yep
19:01 < Libby> three cheers for all the people who made this all possible
19:01 < fierman> \o/
19:01 < Libby> '\o/'
19:01 < groente> we should look into low-latency setups
19:01 < Libby> '\o/'
19:02 < Libby> '\o/'
19:02 < groente> but with the means given, this rocked :)
19:02 < Libby> ' = beercan :-)
19:02 < fierman> nl stream is relaying patapoe now
19:02 < fierman> free radio station in amsterdam
19:02 < fierman> also on ether
19:02 < Libby> it certainly did, groente
19:04 < occam> i have some rips of the streams if theres any need
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19:05 < luisfelipe> guys, we're leaving
19:05 < fierman> i have the complete sessions of this afternoon here
19:05 < fierman> but they should be edited and cut a bit
19:05 < luisfelipe> bye :)
19:05 < fierman> luisfelipe: thank yiou very much!
19:05 < Libby> bye luisfelipe
19:05 < fierman> bye :)
19:05 < luisfelipe> and next week needs to be awesome
19:06 < luisfelipe> (it's my birthday)
19:06 < luisfelipe> heheh
19:06 < luisfelipe> bye
19:06 < Libby> congrats already :-)
19:06 < fierman> cheers
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19:08 < kwadronaut> getting irc off beamer
19:09 < Libby> bye peepz
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19:26 < toya> fierman: nice we have stuff from last sunday too
19:27 * Libby off to bed
19:27 < Libby> night all
19:33 < occam> cya!
19:33 < fierman> bye bye
19:38 < toya> video game music
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19:56 < fierman> we're off
19:56 < fierman> bye!
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22:05 < iconoclast> hey jebba
22:10 < groente> hey jebba, iconoclast
22:12 < iconoclast> grobo :)
22:12 < groente> yoyo :)
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22:17 < iconoclast> all in all, people seem to have liked today..
22:23 < toya> good food?
22:23 < toya> :P
22:24 < iconoclast> well, yeah, but I was more referring to the contentside of
stuff, and not the stomach-content-filling
22:25 < toya> hehehhee
22:25 < toya> yah it was good :)
22:25 < toya> both days till now have been very nice
22:25 < toya> this and the last sunday
22:26 < iconoclast> yeah, saw some of last sunday.. afaict not much of the results
from last sunday were taken into account today (at least in
am*dam)
22:27 < iconoclast> but then again, I did the other content filling :)
22:27 < groente> for me having gotten together was result enough for one day
22:27 < groente> i think getting anything concrete out of these kinda things simply
takes way more time
22:28 < toya> i think the idea also is not to get anything concret
22:28 < toya> is to create possibilities
22:28 < toya> and if ppl feel like
22:28 < toya> they take it and do it
22:28 < toya> together with who they want to
22:28 < toya> :)
22:29 < iconoclast> groente: of course, but if you have a distributed event, spread
out over more weeks (or days for that matter) you might as well
do something with the outcome/ideas of previous meetings..
22:30 < groente> iconoclast: theoretically, yes
22:30 < groente> but that would require all the paritcipants having looked into what
has been going on previously
22:30 < groente> i had the same idea with the stuff that went on at the pga
22:30 < groente> i mean, i'd had loved to work further on this security protcol draft22:31 < groente> but it seems this is only possible on multiple-day-events
22:31 < groente> where you can split up in working groups and actually get stuff done22:31 < iconoclast> groente, not even.. just the facilitator having read it
(although afaik there was no 'it') should improve matters greatly22:31 < groente> well, 'it' was a fuckload of reading
22:32 < iconoclast> groente: ok, I'll just return to my cooking pots :)
22:32 < groente> way too much fro one day anyway :)
22:32 < iconoclast> which was my voluntary exile anyway
22:33 < iconoclast> so I shouldn't complain afterwards
22:33 < groente> i must admit i was more busy with testing the audio then acutally
listening to what was being discussed
22:34 < iconoclast> groente: we talked about this before, it would be nice to have
it spread out over more days, but that's harder to organise..
22:34 < groente> yeah, it is
22:34 < groente> but it would be very worthwhile, i think
22:34 < iconoclast> even though I can't figure out why it wouldn't be able to last
another day..
22:35 < iconoclast> but then again, that's just my side of the event.
22:35 * groente was thinking more in the direction of two weeks or so
22:35 < iconoclast> yeah, that would be even better..
22:35 < groente> maybe something for next summer?
22:36 * groente has been thinking about a plug'n'politix reloaded for a while anyway22:36 < iconoclast> sure thing.. I'll do the cooking
22:36 < groente> \o/
22:36 < groente> (i'm sure you're goona regret that commitment after two weeks ;-) )
22:36 < iconoclast> well, either me or you :)
22:37 < groente> (but then, i'm sure by that time there'll be other people with a
culinary urge aswell)
22:37 < iconoclast> it's quite easy for me to make you regret it :)
22:37 < groente> hehe
22:37 < groente> caynenne peppers++
22:38 < groente> but anywayz, i'm going afk for a bit
22:38 < iconoclast> something
22:38 < iconoclast> going home?
22:38 < groente> gotta save some battery for the train back to utreg
22:38 < groente> nah, prolly not quite yet
22:38 < groente> but i need some music on the way back
22:38 < groente> laters!
22:38 < iconoclast> ok. laterz
22:39 < iconoclast> guess /me is also going to bed..
22:39 < iconoclast> hope the sirens downstairs have gone to sleep already.
