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14:52 < nah> techmeeting meeting
14:52 <@toya> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:52 < nah> hehehehehe
14:53 < ianni> la la la
14:53 <@toya> TECHMEET MEETING IN 7 MIN
14:54 < nah> contagem regressiva
14:57 <@toya> TECHMEET MEETING IN 3 MIN
14:57 <@toya> eh igual estacao de trem
15:00 < rhatto>  :) 
15:00 <@toya> MEETING STARTING NOW!
15:00 <@toya> :D
15:01 [Users #techmeet]
15:01 [@ChanServ] [@ryan] [ ianni   ] [ nah  ] [ rhatto   ] [ Zapata]
15:01 [@mat     ] [@toya] [ membrana] [ occam] [ yossarian]
15:01 -!- Irssi: #techmeet: Total of 11 nicks [4 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 7 normal]
15:01 <@ryan> hello hello
15:01 <@toya> membrana ta durmindo ainda
15:02 <@toya> but hey
15:02 <@toya> for the agenda is:
15:02 <@toya> 1. how we raise money
15:02 <@toya> 2. how much money we will need
15:02 <@toya> 3. agenda for techmeet gathering
15:02 <@toya> sounds good?
15:03 <@ryan> also, update from rio folks?
15:03 -!- guido [guido@0dce8c.62ec7b.37a43a.2db4ba] has joined #techmeet
15:03 < guido> hihihi
15:04 <@toya> ryan: rio is membrana, and i think he is sleep still
15:04 <@ryan> hm
15:04 <@ryan> asleep at like 3pm in the afternoon??
15:05 < membrana> hi
15:05 -!- aline [aline@2a2ca4.ddf950.c3bce0.62f09e] has joined #techmeet
15:06 <@ryan> membrana!
15:06 <@ryan> see????
15:06 <@ryan> you guys
15:06 <@ryan> membrana: eles estavam falando merda de voce
15:07 < membrana> pois eh
15:07 <@ryan> yah
15:07 < membrana> I wake up at 2
15:07 <@ryan> heheheheh
15:07 <@ryan> see??? not 3!
15:07 < nah> hehehehe  :) 
15:08 < membrana> yah
15:08 <@toya> hehehehe
15:09 < Zapata> oi
15:09 <@toya> give us the update membrana! :)))
15:10 < rhatto> yeah, people want to know how cheap is beer in rio, no to tell the other stuff...
15:10 < rhatto> thats why people wake up so late there
15:11 < membrana> R$1,00
15:11 < membrana>  ;) 
15:11 <@toya> hehehehe
15:12 <@toya> o cao quer comer o meu pao!
15:12 < membrana> ok
15:13 <@toya> membrana: se quiser falar em pt eu traduzo
15:14 < membrana> blz
15:14 < membrana> nao evoluimos muito. tem uma reuniao para 06/08 com pessoal do ccs para vermos os detalhes.
15:14 < membrana> o status atual eh que precisa da parte de estrutura arrumar os banheiros
15:15 < membrana> ja tem internet de 1M
15:15 < membrana> eles pediram ajuda para informatizar a biblioteca
15:16 < membrana> falata falar com pessoal do germinal para acertar lance da alimentacao
15:16 <@toya> (qdo terminar fala fim)
15:17 < membrana> tem mais um detalhe para avisar q falando com o robledo essa semana ele falou q a noite eh complicado ficar circulando nas
                  vizinhancas, teria de organizar isso
15:18 < membrana> vai dar para dormir lah no ccs
15:18 < membrana> e tambem algumas pessoas ja ofereceram hospedagem solidaria
15:18 < membrana> acho q eh isso, o q querem saber?
15:18 < membrana> fim
15:18 <@toya> ok vou traduzir
15:19 <@ryan> translate:
15:19 <@toya> errr o ryan vai traduzir :P
15:19 <@ryan> hasnt evolved much. have a meeting on august 6 with people from CCS to go over the details
15:20 <@ryan> the updated status is that we need to fix the bathrooms
15:20 <@ryan> already has internet (1MB)
15:21 <@ryan> they asked if we could help get internet set up in their library
15:22 <@ryan> whats missing are the details of cost/etc with the people from germinal for the food
15:23 <@ryan> i have more details to advise after talking with robledo this week
15:23 <@ryan> he said that at night its complicated to be walking around the neighborhood at night, would have to organize it in groups
15:23 <@ryan> thats it
15:23 <@ryan> wait wait
15:23 <@ryan> also
15:24 <@ryan> we can sleep there at the CCS
15:24 < occam> helo
15:24 <@ryan> also some people already offered places
15:24 <@ryan> NOW thats it
15:24  * toya wants to say something
15:25 <@toya> membrana: we were thinking of asking 300 dolares to global indymedia to pay germinal collective for cooking the food for us, and also to
              help with the bathrooms reform
15:25 <@toya> membrana: do you think is it a good amount?
15:26 < nah> o/
15:27 < membrana> I think so
15:27 < membrana> its cooking for 2 days
15:28 <@toya> 3
15:28 <@toya> :P
15:28 <@toya> 5 6 7
15:28 < membrana> ok
15:28 <@ryan> but tambem arrumar os banheiros?
15:28 < membrana> tem 1 banheiro ok
15:28 < membrana> e 2 que precisam arrumar
15:29 < ianni> explica arrumar
15:29 < membrana> parte eletrica para os chuveiros
15:29 <@ryan> mmmmm
15:29 < ianni> isso eh cheap nao?
15:29 < membrana> e um ta emtupido
15:29 < nah> do you think if 1M of internet is enough for us? and, have we possibility to help them with other "things" about the place (ccs)? i think
             we can help them with something more... (no?)
15:30 <@toya> nah: i think internet is ok
15:30 <@toya> nah: is like 20 ppl
15:30 <@ryan> we should be careful not to promise a bunch of things
15:30 <@toya> and we wont be online all the time
15:30 <@ryan> and then we dont do it
15:30 < ianni> right..
15:31 < nah> yes, but, what i know is that internet is of one group that use the place (group "luz do sol" - they do some "computer workshops" for the
             community) and probably they will be there
15:31 <@toya> for 3 days is ok ot have that connection, is like the one we had at my house in sp and there were around 10 ppl online working and it was
              ok
15:31 < nah> using the internet, etc...
15:31 <@toya> we wont be online that much
15:31 < ianni> i hope not
15:31 < ianni> :P
15:31 <@toya> is more for discussions and maybe looking on a site etc
15:32 <@toya> or checking emails
15:32 < ianni> right
15:32 <@toya> we have internet of 512 in gesac distributed for 30 ppl
15:32 <@toya> and worked ok
15:32 < ianni> we hvae the chance to be together we shouldnt be on the internet all the time
15:32 < membrana> nos so teremos de compartilhar o espaco no sabado de manha
15:33 < membrana> talvez tenha uma atividade la
15:33 < nah> membrana: hummm about 7 september?
15:33 -!- foz [semvergonha@09664d.ed5510.e139d5.b822fe] has joined #techmeet
15:33 < foz> =)
15:33 < ianni> quanto tempo foz
15:33 < foz>  ;) 
15:33 <@toya> membrana: so 300 dolares would cover for the bathrooms and the germinal collective?
15:34 <@toya> membrana: cuz we need to send the proposal to global indymedia fund, asap so this money can arrive for you in rio and help ppl do the
              stuff they need
15:35 < membrana> ok
15:35 < nah> (i will be able to be in rio one week before the meeting to help  :) 
15:35 <@toya> membrana: if you want, you can check with them this week, before we sent the proposal, and tell us if its a good amount
15:36 < membrana> ok
15:36 < membrana> its better
15:36 <@toya> cool!
15:36 <@toya> so email techmeet list letting us know!
15:36 <@toya>  :) 
15:36 < membrana> nah  :) 
15:36 <@toya> nah: excelent! :))
15:36 < nah> :D
15:36 < ianni> hehe
15:36  * ryan raises
15:37 <@toya> go ryan
15:37 <@ryan> can the ppl from rio start to send us URL's from google maps of the place?
15:37 <@ryan> and maybe info about public transportation nearby?
15:38 <@ryan> so we can begin to build this information
15:38 < membrana> yah, I can do this
15:38 < aline> in which area in rio is ccs?
15:38 < nah> vila isabel,
15:38 <@ryan> we should start to promote techmeet 2008 but would be good to have a page about it with all details first
15:38 < nah> zona norte
15:38 < aline> que bairro/região do rio é o ccs?
15:38 < aline> blz
15:39 < nah> http://ccs.sarava.org/node/19
15:39  * aline com lag nervoso
15:39 < membrana> toya> so email techmeet list letting us know!
15:39 < membrana> its for me toya?
15:42 <@toya> sim
15:42 < membrana> ah
15:42 < membrana> entendi
15:42 < membrana> sobre o valor
15:42 < membrana> blz
15:43 < aline> onde eh a lista do techmeet? riseup?
15:43 <@toya> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Rua+Torres+Homem,+rio+de+janeiro,+brasil
&sll=-22.840426,-43.271027&sspn=0.213888,0.341949&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=addr
15:43 <@toya> aline: sarava
15:43 <@toya> aline: techmeet@listas.sarava.org
15:44 < aline> tem como me inxcrever ?
15:44  * aline jah volta
15:44 <@toya> sim
15:44 <@toya> qual email?
15:44  * nah ja volta tambem
15:45 <@toya> oh eh do lado do morro do macaco
15:46 <@toya> alright, so besides the part we will ask for global indymedia fund
15:46 <@toya> we still have to raise money to help with ppl tickets!
15:46 <@toya> so far we have:
15:46 <@toya> 1. from buenos aires - mat
15:46 <@toya> 2. one from mexico - not sure who will be but there will be one!
15:46 <@toya> 3. one from sp to rio - aline
15:46 <@toya> for mat is around 400 dolares
15:46 <@toya> for the mexico person is around 1k dolares
15:47 <@toya> and for aline is 120 reais
15:47 <@toya> more or less 80 dolares
15:47 <@toya> ppl who want to donate asked about a paypal account (jebba wants to donate money and it was the first thing he asked)
15:48 <@toya> for us to have a paypal account what we would do is:
15:48 <@toya> 1. me (toya) would open a bank account here in the USA just for this
15:48 <@toya> 2. then open a paypal account  using htis ban account
15:49 <@toya> but ppl have raised concerns about using paypal - which is understandble cuz paypal owner is a fucking right wing mother fucker
15:49 <@toya> and paypal has weird agreement thing where it makes easy for them to still money from you...
15:49 <@toya> althought we would be using this for 2 months period (the most)
15:49 <@toya> since it will be just to get the money for the tickets and buy it
15:49 <@toya> so!!!!
15:50 <@toya> right now this is what we have to decide!
15:50 <@toya> how we will collect the money!
15:50 <@toya> cuz we must start doing it soon!
15:50 <@toya> otherwise when ppl buy the tickets it will be fucking expensive!
15:50 < rhatto> toya, maybe i can help with mat's tickets
15:51 < rhatto> toya, do you know when he plan to come and go back to bsas?
15:51 <@toya> rhatto: not yet but i can get this info, today mat is in a farm for children with his son  :) 
15:51 <@toya> rhatto: i ask him when he show up online
15:51 <@ryan> the specifics for each person can be determined later
15:51 <@ryan> we need a way for people to easily donate
15:51 <@ryan> so we can start asking people
15:52 <@ryan> does anyone have an -existing- paypal?
15:52 <@ryan> that we could use?
15:52 <@ryan> sfccp has a paypal, people could mark it for techmeet
15:52 < rhatto> nice... currently plane tickets from bsas to rio are relatively cheap, but usually they start to raise...
15:53 < aline> toya: aline@riseup.net
15:55 <@ryan> ok so we have a plan, i think
15:55 <@ryan> 1. toya will try on monday to open a new bank account in her name
15:56 <@ryan> 2. in 10 days, she will receive a debit card (like a credit card)
15:56 <@ryan> 3. she will open a paypal account with this bank account
15:56 <@ryan> 4. if something goes wrong with this, we will use the sfccp paypal account as a backup
15:57 <@ryan> so, ideally, we -could- have somewhere for people to donate by tuesday of this week
15:58 <@ryan> any objections to this?
15:59 <@ryan> or someone know an alternative to paypal that makes donations easy?
15:59 < Zapata> it sounds like a great plan
15:59 <@toya> i have a question, to donate money to the paypal account does ppl need to also have a paypal account or just a credit card?
15:59 <@ryan> just a credit card
16:00 < aline> i have verified paypal account. but I don't know how to take out the money
16:00 <@toya> aline: you can transfer it back to the bank account from paypal
16:01 <@ryan> ok well.. seems like we figured this out, no?
16:01 <@toya> aline: then i would use the bank account credit card to buy the tickets
16:01 < aline> can I transfer it to any bank account in the us?
16:01 <@toya> aline: transfer from where?
16:02 < aline> from paypal
16:02 <@toya> aline: the paypal account is connected to the bank account
16:02 <@toya> aline: you can only have a paypal account that way, so all it takes it is to send from paypal to the bank account it is connected with
              (which will be mine)
16:03 < aline> my one is connected to a credit card. but is a virtual credit card, so it's not connected to any bank account
16:03 <@toya> aline: and i could use the credit card from that account to buy the tickets online, or in your case, since is a bus ticket, to take the
              money out and send to you ( i can do it using a brazilian imigrant schema i have and is just like a normal deposit from a bank account in
              brasil to another)
16:04 <@toya> aline: but the one we will open will be connected to the bank account i will open on money
16:04 <@toya> aline: ops 'on monday'
16:04 < aline> cool
16:05 <@toya> does everyone agrees with it???
16:05 <@toya> can i do it on monday????
16:07 <@ryan> i think yes
16:07 <@ryan> what's next?
16:07 <@toya> would be the agenda i thin
16:07 <@toya> think
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16:08 <@toya> no one is talking
16:08 < ianni> yes agreed on paypal stuff
16:08 < membrana> ok
16:08 <@toya> hehehe
16:08 < ianni>  ;) 
16:09 <@toya> so about the agenda
16:09 <@toya> i sent to things to the list
16:09 <@toya> 1. new cms
16:09 <@toya> 2. the new law for internet in brasil
16:10 <@ryan> i wanna talk on #1  :) 
16:10 <@toya> talk!
16:10 <@ryan> ok so
16:10 < rhatto> i propose a general topic "security, resilience and resistance"
16:10 <@ryan> i think there has been little "pockets" of work happening
16:11 <@ryan> by little groups here and there
16:11 <@ryan> we discussed making a prototype or proof-of-concept of what we've sort of been talking about
16:11 <@ryan> one problem is...
16:12 <@ryan> one of our requirements has been to use tech that has a huge dev community behind it, this is most important
16:12 <@ryan> we have a backend (mysql or postgres, whichever we use) and those have huge dev communities
16:12 <@ryan> we've been talking about ICE and it has a nice-sized dev community
16:13 <@ryan> on the frontend, i have been and am investigating
16:13 <@ryan> i thought we were good because mambo was switching to cakephp
16:13 <@ryan> however, there are some glitches here:
16:13 <@ryan> 1) the mambo developers are kind of assholes,
16:14 <@ryan> 2) i dont know if they have even STARTED migrating mambo to cakephp (partly because they are assholes, and i cant find them to ask them),
16:14 <@ryan> 3) they are still planning several releases with their current code
16:15 <@ryan> so..
16:15 <@ryan> this is something i have just been finding out the last few days
16:15 <@ryan> and i am on top of it
16:15 <@ryan> so today, i am going to:
16:15 <@ryan> 1) get answers,
16:15 <@ryan> 2) help work on the imc-cms FAQ that occam started,
16:16 <@ryan> 3) review some other options that use cakephp
16:16 < Zapata> 4) kick my ass to get the poc going
16:16 <@ryan> and i will send an update to the list
16:17 <@ryan> i have this little gap right now
16:17 <@ryan> because i am waiting on my work clients to get stuff to me
16:17 <@ryan> so i can work on shit right now
16:17 <@ryan> and i am frantically working on imc-cms/linefeed/imc stuff
16:17 <@ryan> before this gap is over (on monday, or really, maybe tomorrow)
16:18 <@ryan> but i will have a lot of good work done when the gap is over and i will let the list(s) know
16:18 <@ryan> ALSO,
16:18 <@ryan> i have been in touch with jay and sheri
16:18 <@ryan> they also have this "save indymedia" idea for a while
16:19 <@ryan> and they are working on the imc-alternatives list
16:19 <@ryan> to do this
16:19 <@ryan> unfortunately, their plan to "save indymedia" is .... not in sync with our plan
16:19 <@ryan> (and our plan is MUCH better)
16:19 <@ryan> i dont even want to SAY what they are planning to do because people are gonna freak out  :) 
16:20 <@ryan> but, i am talking to them about directing their efforts to be more in sync with us
16:20 <@ryan> so that we could benefit from each other's work
16:20 <@ryan> i -do- think a POC could be ready before techmeet
16:21 <@ryan> and i think that should be a goal because then, at techmeet, we could do work together, talk together, etc
16:21 <@ryan> anyway
16:21 <@ryan> i'm going to finish my todo list and then send an update out
16:21 <@ryan> and then maybe we can discuss the results on the list
16:21 <@ryan> thats it
16:22 <@toya> rhatto: do you want to talk about this -> 16:10 < rhatto> i propose a general topic "security, resilience and resistance"
16:22 < rhatto> yes, and i can be short
16:23 < rhatto> basically my proposal is to hold a general talk during the rio meeting about these topics
16:23 < rhatto> i dont think i need to explain why, should i? :P
16:23 < rhatto> it wont be an specific talk
16:23 < rhatto> like the SSL presentation xmux gave to us in 2006
16:24 < rhatto> but something more general as:
16:24 < rhatto> 1 - there is a huge gap between the tech groups and the general social groups regarding security
16:25 < rhatto> 2 - i think even our groups might think and discuss more about the subject, as social control is rising too much in the past few years
16:25 < rhatto> i think thats it
16:25 < rhatto> end  :) 
16:25 <@toya> would that exclude an specific talk about the brasil law? since we have many servers in brasil and domains register there.... I mean do
              you think it should be all on this general talk?
16:25 < rhatto> toya, dont know really:
16:26 < rhatto> i would agree for what i think would be best
16:26 < rhatto> and maybe the talk about this brazilian law should be included in the talk about data retention, etc
16:26 < rhatto> some people that are going to rio are going also to budapest
16:27 < rhatto> the budapest meeting is dedicated to data retention policies...
16:27 < Zapata> the european laws and situations are also very relevant I would say...
16:27 < Zapata> maybe I should collect some concrete information on this and present it during techmeet
16:27 < rhatto> so maybe we should have one meeting about "data retention" and one about security in general
16:27 <@toya> Zapata: that would be good
16:27 <@toya> rhatto: ok
16:27 < rhatto>  :) 
16:27 < ianni> nice!
16:27 <@toya> so what we have for agenda so far is:
16:27 <@toya> 1. new cms
16:28 <@toya> 2. data retention
16:28 <@toya> 3. security in general
16:28 <@toya> ?
16:28 < rhatto> well
16:28 < rhatto> its just 3 days
16:28 < rhatto> or maybe two and a half
16:28 <@toya> one for each!
16:28 < rhatto> hehehe
16:29 < rhatto> yeah, and maybe some "backup", optional points for the agenda...
16:29 <@toya> like what?
16:29 < ianni> as backup discussion points
16:30 < ianni> girls in here are saying
16:30 < Zapata> ... skill sharing thingies, for in between?
16:31 <@toya> (i could collect info about laws here in the USA for those discussions)
16:31 <@toya> and someone from brasil should prepare some presentation about brasil situation
16:31 <@toya> maybe
16:31 < aline> we need to study this brazillian law
16:31 < aline> in deep
16:31 <@toya> so if we have a presentation about law in europe, law in usa and law in brasil
16:31 <@toya> we will have good materials to talk about!
16:31 <@toya>  :) 
16:32 <@toya> and probably take it to budapest
16:33 < ianni> it would be good if we started thinking about the possible (and impossible) relations that tech social groups can maintain between them,
               such as a kind of division of labor, so that we dont entrapt ourselves doing the same things over again. and also that tech stuff/work
               should be thought in a broader sense in a way that it could embrace subjects as video distribution online, graphics etc
16:34 < ianni> (i dont know if i got it all)
16:34 < ianni> ( i am speaking for nah, tai, foz an myself)
16:34 <@toya> ianni: i thin that is also include (at some point) inside the new cms discussion
16:35 <@toya> ianni: and also that tech stuff/work should be thought in a broader sense in a way that it could embrace subjects as video distribution
              online, graphics etc
16:35 <@toya> ianni: that is part of the new cms discussion
16:36 < ianni> toya: right, but that regards indymedia alone
16:36 < ianni> i think the girls meant tech social gruops
16:37 < ianni> but thats just backup discussions thats not a proposal for a talk
16:37 <@toya> yes but i think indymedia is also a tech social group :PP and the tech social groups could get a lot of good things from this
              discussion..but i get what you mean
16:37 <@toya> and i agree with it
16:37 < ianni> ok
16:38 <@toya>  :) 
16:38 < ianni>  :) 
16:38 < ianni> alright
16:38 < ianni> thats just observations
16:38 <@toya> alright so let me do a little to do list
16:39 < ianni> most of these topics can be delt with during the meeting in a more informal way i guess
16:39 < ianni> end
16:39 <@toya> 1. membrana will send an email about the money we need from global indymedia fund
16:39 <@toya> 2. we need to update the techmeet 2008 wiki with more info about the place and the gathering
16:39 <@toya> 3. toya wil open bank account on monday and then the paypal account so we can start bagging for money
16:40 <@toya> 4. ryan will get together stuff for the new cms discussion
16:40 <@toya> 5. zapata will collect info about europe internet law, toya will do the same about usa and ppl in brasil should do the same about brasil
              law
16:41  * ryan says also we might want to consider a webcast from techmeet 2008! to publicize about the new cms or about the laws or both!
16:41 <@toya> that reminds me
16:41 <@toya> 6. we need to prepare a call for other groups
16:41 <@ryan> for that list, can occam help document or maybe meet w/me to talk what he & toya did with ICE?
16:42 <@ryan> toya -- yes, on #6... (con't)
16:42 < membrana> toya yes
16:42 <@ryan> toya: i think we to put together this page i was saying about techmeet 2008
16:42 <@toya> any volunteer to write this call ???
16:42 <@ryan> with dates, location, maps, agenda, and then we can start sending it out
16:42 <@toya> yes
16:43 < membrana> I can work in wiki
16:43 < membrana> this http://techmeet.org/txt/Techmeet_2008 ?
16:44 <@toya> yeah
16:44 <@toya> so we need to change completly this page
16:44 <@toya> hehhee
16:44 <@toya> all the stuff there are old
16:44 <@toya> and also put a big call on the frontpage of the wiki
16:44 -!- elisa [elisa@48dff2.5d122f.f4bc40.1687e0] has joined #techmeet
16:44 <@toya> and we should add a link to this on the techmeet 2008 page: http://www.techmeet.org/txt/Rio_de_Janeiro_-_2008
16:44 <@toya> which is the rio original proposal
16:45 <@toya> 6. we need to prepare a call for other groups
16:45 <@toya> this is urgent
16:45 < membrana> I think maybe we can take a moment in agenda to talk open with others groups from rio
16:45 <@toya> cuz ppl need to get their shit together
16:45 <@toya> and we are already in the middle of july
16:46 <@ryan> would also be nice to include donation info in the call
16:46 <@toya> membrana: yes we could do that
16:46 <@ryan> but that delays it
16:46 <@toya> ryan: yes too
16:46 <@ryan> unless we use SFCCP paypal temporarily
16:47 <@ryan> just for the call
16:47 <@toya> ryan: we can point them to the site and say we need donations !!! info of how to do it will be uploaded on the site during this week!
16:47 <@toya> ryan: when we have the info we email ppl again!
16:47 <@ryan> can we change the mediawiki skin?
16:50 <@toya> who can write the call?
16:46 <@toya> membrana: yes we could do that
16:46 <@ryan> but that delays it
16:46 <@toya> ryan: yes too
16:46 <@ryan> unless we use SFCCP paypal temporarily
16:47 <@ryan> just for the call
16:47 <@toya> ryan: we can point them to the site and say we need donations !!! info of how to do it will be uploaded on the site during this week!
16:47 <@toya> ryan: when we have the info we email ppl again!
16:47 <@ryan> can we change the mediawiki skin?
16:50 <@toya> who can write the call?
16:50 <@ryan> you guys like this? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Redeye-0.9.png
16:50 <@ryan> i can write the call
16:54 < membrana> ryan i think its better that actually
16:54 < membrana> ok
16:54 <@ryan> membrana: which is better?
16:54 < membrana> redeye
16:55 <@ryan> yah!!!!! i think so too!!!!!!
16:55 <@ryan> i can change it when i'm working on this shit tody
16:55 <@toya> so this is it!?!?!
16:55 <@toya> anything else to talk about?
16:56 < membrana> ok
16:56 < membrana> I'm go out
16:56 <@toya> can ppl add aline to the list?
16:57 <@toya> anyone from sarava could do it?
16:59 < membrana> see yah
16:59 < elisa> I can
17:00 < elisa> done
17:03 < aline> valeu
17:04 <@ryan> ok, i will also take this opportunity to move techmeet.org to bunke
17:06 < elisa> ?
17:06 < elisa> why?
17:07 <@ryan> because bunke is a better, faster machine
17:07 <@ryan> where we host websites from.. blackcat is only for shells
17:07 < elisa> nossa

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